This is a discussion on Female INTPs Clashes with Social Norms within the INTP Forum - The Thinkers forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Originally Posted by Gilmoshar Huh. Maybe Kroeger and Thuesen ought to learn more history, and not just summarize the weird ...
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Female INTPs Clashes with Social Norms
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I think this is a topic that is brought up a lot, but then can easily be disregarded, especially when curtaining around the topic of emotions. I am not going off the premise that females have more emotions then males, we can knowingly state that;1. Not all INTPs have the same form of development of their emotions, regardless of gender.
2. That it has already been established that INTPs have very deep emotions, both males and females. Instead I want to look on society’s gender roles and societal norms placed on women and how that clashes with their personality type of INTP.
Females are encouraged to be caring, loving, and family orientated, (not saying we aren’t, but it shows differently like in all INTPs) tendencies common to INTPs’ such as; absent mindness, aloofness, and sometimes a bit random is characterized differently between male and female. In male INTPs, although still a littleodd, tendencies such as this is more acceptable. A male who is forgetful because he is lost in thought can be seen for having a keen mind. In books and stories the character that served the purpose of morality or human reason was painted as a quirky wise old man.
“While all of the internal conceptualizing, however misunderstood, may be tolerated in a male, society is less likely to tolerate the same characteristics in a female…First, women historically have not been looked upon architects of much beyond their own homes and families… Second conceptual originality is similarly not a traditional female trait. Some INTPs, asked the time of day would be tempted to expound on the philosophical meaning of time; this eccentricity in a man may be looked upon as the result of over intelligence, in a woman it may result in her being labeled ‘dizzy’ or even ‘dumb’ (TypeTalk, p. 245)
This can and most likely has caused conflict in developing the self-image for many INTP females. As human beings we acquire knowledge of our self through what is called the looking-glass self, in that we learn about ourselves by how people treat us, e.g. if you are treated like you are smart, you believe you are smart. However, many female INTP combat this folkway with their natural analytical skills. Although many female INTPs will not buy into these sanctions, they will more likely alter their behavior a great deal more.
Even though individuality is valued highly by INTPs, this value clashes violently with the desire to remain detached, in order better to observe. Therefore ALL INTPs, males and females, will react in at least bare minimum of the norm. However, some females will allow others to disregard her intelligence or mindset, in better to obtain detachment, where as males MAY not have to go as far to in extent to obtain such.
This does little for the self-esteem, without a strong supporting family behind a female, I would fear that their natural need for privacy plus the lack of a strong support system could make it hard for a female INTP to find acceptance. Females almost have to flaunt their ‘eccentrics’ to further distance themselves. This can further cause INTPs to become distrustful, and suspicious of people.
Point being, although male and female INTPs altogether have the same general personality type, how that is perceived by society is different. I would also say that this would make recognizing female INTPs that much harder since such similar traits are viewed differently by society based on gender.
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On a related note, you just made me read the same thing again!
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Hmmgph. I remember, back in graduate school, I was in a class and was assigned to a team of three people (2 women, 1 man) to work on a class project. We spoke to each other on the fly after class a few times, but we needed to sit down and have a serious meeting. We arranged to meet in the guy's apartment, which was not far from campus. Just before that meeting the other woman on our 'team' withdrew from the course. Anyway, the two remaining group members had to facilitate the project, so, our meeting was still on.
I showed up at the apartment. The living space was jammed full of books, computer crap, and video and editing equipment, along with a couch, a chair and a little table. I took the couch, he took the chair and we started to work. About 20 minutes into our collaboration, he suddenly raised his head and exclaimed wonderingly, "You're really smart!"
What the hell do you say to that?
For a moment, I gave him the INTP dead-eye stare and then said evenly, "Yes. I am. Now, about this section here...."
women's gender roles suck
I've been going off the assumption that I'm xxFP, likely E, but my type is still open to question. I consider myself lucky in that from a young age I didn't buy into gender rolls or expectations of relatives, friends or social customs, so I've been able to deal with the world as if I have a "male" mind, while appearing female. It helps that I'm extroverted enough that if it bothers people, I just go elsewhere and make new friends.