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This is a discussion on Ambition - Would you rather... within the INTP Forum - The Thinkers forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Originally Posted by Venoshock Yeah you can try combining them, but that lends itself to its own set of problems: ...

  1. #11
    INTP

    Quote Originally Posted by Venoshock View Post
    Yeah you can try combining them, but that lends itself to its own set of problems: Like dividing your focus among too many goals.

    Even if you try combining both approaches, because assessment is dependent on self awareness and understanding of the world and the challenges ahead, different people will err towards either side even if they are aiming for a middle ground. Not to mention what comes across as conservative to you, would be recklessness to someone else.
    I think @SilverFalcon and I have a very similar view on that topic. In my approach, the main point of the very ambitious goal is to give the path. Attaining it is somewhat secondary and sometime not really wanted because you may not know what to do with what you get from reaching the very ambitious goal. The modest goals are part of the path and are usually close the limit of our abilities (so the goals are less modest than in option A but not very ambitious). This time, the main point of those modest goal is to reach them since it is signal that we're going forward, that things are done.

  2. #12

    Quote Originally Posted by Alcar View Post
    I think @SilverFalcon and I have a very similar view on that topic. In my approach, the main point of the very ambitious goal is to give the path. Attaining it is somewhat secondary and sometime not really wanted because you may not know what to do with what you get from reaching the very ambitious goal. The modest goals are part of the path and are usually close the limit of our abilities (so the goals are less modest than in option A but not very ambitious). This time, the main point of those modest goal is to reach them since it is signal that we're going forward, that things are done.
    It sounds like a neat way to bypass the OP in theory but in reality you're essentially bleeding resources on something that isn't even your top priority. If you're going to place the more demanding goals on the backseat, thus diminishing your odds of success from the get go, so why bother?

    Is this what you do in your own life? Does it actually work?

  3. #13

    I'd like to say two, but I'm more of an option one person.

    I feel no internal drive to go for bigger, larger than life goals.

  4. #14
    INTP

    Quote Originally Posted by Venoshock View Post
    It sounds like a neat way to bypass the OP in theory but in reality you're essentially bleeding resources on something that isn't even your top priority. If you're going to place the more demanding goals on the backseat, thus diminishing your odds of success from the get go, so why bother?

    Is this what you do in your own life? Does it actually work?

    If you putting goal close to the limit of what seems reasonably achievable, you are not "bleeding" resources since you learn and gain so much by going there. The definition of a very ambitious goal implies that the state you reach when you attain that goal is very far from the state you are currently in. In this condition and if that goal can be reached, how do you know if reaching that goal will actually have a good impact on you or on other people around you? Of course, it depends of your very ambitious goal but, in any case, the sacrifices that you have to make to reach that goal can have very heavy consequences.

    From your last questions, I'm stuck with an annoying top priority... which is finishing my thesis, but I have a plan about how to implement this technics: I have one very ambitious goal and 2 or 3 attainable goals that will clarify if the very ambitious goal really makes sense and, at the same time, the attainable goals will allow me to gain some momentum. If it works ? I think I will be able to give an answer in 5-10 years. Maybe my very ambitious goal is complete bullshit or maybe it will completely change over time, who knows? In any case, I need people to get there and I don't want to involve people too early or in an erratic way... and I feel that if, I go directly and fully for the very ambitious goal, I will basically be a 70 years old man with a wasted life.
    Last edited by Alcar; 08-22-2019 at 03:28 AM.

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    I prefer to leave goal scoring to S types who have a sense of coordination.
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  6. #16
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    I much prefer having achievable goals.

    Of course there have been plenty of occasions where I wanted it all. I don't know if this as an INTP thing or just something I do, but I find that if I can't obtain something that I wanted, I just mentally readjust my desires and find a logical reason for how or why the thing I failed at was something I didn't really want anyway. Hell, you even pointed it out to me in my posts a couple of months ago where I turned down the really awesome cold fusion research facility job interview. I'm not sad about that at all now.

    Generally I don't feel bad for my failures, and feel quite accomplished with the things I have achieved (many of which were never specific goals - they just 'happened').

    I think the biggest goal I ever set for myself was 'become a programmer', and I managed that. There's not much else I really want to do, apart from spend at least half a year drifting the African continent on a voyage of internal and external discovery. Hm, I guess I do have goals.
    Last edited by HAL; 08-24-2019 at 09:55 PM.
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  7. #17

    I cannot think of any long term goals that can be satisfying, so I'd pick the first option. I don't care for excessive wealth, power, prestige, fame, etc. Nor lofty goals, like peace, singularity, etc. I don't think ambitious people think deeply about what would happen when their goal is reached. Questions like "what's next?" "what are the drawbacks?" are unanswered because they're afraid that it'd destroy their purpose.
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