so, i have a very good friend and dad who's INTP. i find it extremely difficult to reason with them. despite always having the superior argument(friends/brother who listen in that were already in favour or got convinced by my statements), they refuse to accept and cite inability to articulate thoughts or come up with warped logic and refuse to back down.
i suspect this is due to them having their thoughts overly-internalized and constructed. so much so that it is hard for them to break down this forged structure despite it's building blocks that may be flawed. it get's extremely frustrating when the whole family starts to see and undertand my point of view but the INTP rambles on and defends his logic and that i'm asked to take a step back by my family member who sees that it is going nowhere.
i'm going to make a disclaimer that the above is definitely from my perspective and if told by the other party, could differ. but i would like to mention that i try to describe as objectively as i can. obviously there are instances whereby i was wrong in arguments but i do take it on the chin and shut up the moment i realise i'm wrong.
for me, i dont always think that i'm right, but i believe that i'm usually not wrong. also, avoiding compromising situations is my first nature(e.g. i only speak for something only when i'm certain is right, or if i'm not sure, i will add a disclaimer, etc).
so the question is, how can i actually convince an INTP? logical reasoning gets us nowhere. when it comes to debating, sure both of us enjoy the verbal sparring but it does get to a point where it irritates me since INTP is rejecting my reasoning alot invalidly.
i also like to note that there are instances whereby they actually eventually agreed with my stand. but that actually took a hell lot of time, for them to see repeated results that continually reject their theory.
lastly, i would like to note that in no way i'm trying to discriminate against INTPs since althougha intelligence level could have some correlation to this personality thingy, i'm not in the view of INTP => smart, XXXX => dumb.
so how do i win INTPs over with ease? what is the key? hope to get some good response. keep it friendly please, cheers
update 2:i feel like i'm getting more constructive responses. to those who put heart into coming up with helpful responses, thank you.
regarding the defensive responses, i really don't see a need to defend "one's pack". there could be a need to highlight again that i'm not pitting myself against the INTPs, nor do i think that INTPs are inferior by default, since it's down to the individual. i respect the people here and i do hope to get mutual respect in return.
of course if one still sees a need in playing the antagonist, i'm powerless to stop you.
i do note that my question can be quite general and vague as mentioned. however, neither do i expect a very concise solution for it. i just want to know what do you think is a more acceptable approach in trying to win majority of the INTPs over, which i could then attempt to replicate the solution when dealing with the INTPs around me. e.g. what are their key focuses in an argument? how do we stop the stubbornness in them?
one example argument: the questions over the benefits of going to school. i'm in favour of how attending formal school is just another opportunity in life and if we do come across something that seems more promising, we should not be fearful of giving up formal education in pursuit of it. however, my dad strongly refutes this and is adamant that formal education should come first before every other opportunity. my mum agreed with him alot from the start and my brother sat on the fence, but recently my mum started accepting my ideas after i was able to break down her mental barrier to accepting new ideas. so i was actually able to explain to her through qualitative reasoning and quantifying theoretical situations and she would start to understand my POV through clarifying her doubts and further questioning my answers again. my brother also becomes more open about his stand(in my favour) since his neutrality approach in the first place was to try to resolve the "conflict" (ENFP -avoid conflicts, or what is percieved to be as a conflict, lol) but failed. in this given scenario, i can accept that formal education could just be the best opportunity one can have, but unlike my dad, i dont blatantly deny that there could be no better opportunities, that one cannot give up school for.
hope to get more good replies, thanks guys