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This is a discussion on INTJ or INTP? Help? within the INTP Forum - The Thinkers forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Originally Posted by Chemical Teddy It's complicated. I haven't done any serious work in a very long time. As an ...

  1. #11

    Quote Originally Posted by Chemical Teddy View Post
    It's complicated. I haven't done any serious work in a very long time.

    As an INTJ I used to justify it by saying that I haven't found my goal life. I felt like everything was pointless so there wasn't any particular goal worth committing to. I don't really care about school and my grades are quite lacking at the moment.

    I do however spend very large amounts of time reading about random stuff on the internet.
    Just the other day I spent my entire day reading about the Chernobyl disaster.
    I have a lot of trouble focusing on my school work.

    I don't know if it's because I have no ultimate goal or I'm just lazy.
    I seemed to use the first explanation up until this point.
    INTP.

    The fact that you researched SO MUCH into the MBTI test already indicates that you're an INTP, but this.. yeah, welcome home.
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  2. #12

    Quote Originally Posted by jeremusic2 View Post
    Using Te a lot is something an INTP does not give a lot of credit to. We may use it to operate Ti, but it does not hold up on its own to justify any action whatsoever. If you believe your decisions to rationally come from within (not placed easily on external facts or criteria such as immediate consequences) and your actions themselves to be more chaotic (as contributed by Ne) then you are INTP.

    Another way to think of it: INTJ will be more goal oriented within external reality, every thought process is guided by some externally motivated goal. Not so with INTP at all.
    It just keeps getting more complicated.
    I delved into philosophy during my early teens and I came in contact with nihilism, existentialism and many other concepts that are similar in nature. It's rather possible that I wasn't emotionally ready for these things and they might have impacted me in a negative way.

    At that time I started not caring for a lot of things. I chalked it up to some form of depression created by not having a goal in life. It made sense because I thought I was an INTJ. INTJs are goal oriented and it would make sense that I would become depressed and uninterested due to the lack of direction in my life.

    I'm not so sure right now. I could be lying to myself. It's quite possible that I was lying to myself this entire time. For the last 2 weeks I've spent a lot of time thinking about MBTI for fun. I typed people I know and have them take the test to see if I was right. I looked into the functions and spent a good chunk of my time lurking the forum. I also have the tendency to research random stuff and just cycle through videos for hours, accumulating random knowledge.

    Now the question is: Am I a directionless INTJ sifting through random knowledge out of sheer desperation. An INTJ who has forced himself to enjoy random knowledge to cope with reality or an INTP who genuinely enjoys knowledge for the sake of knowledge.

    It's just so complicated.

  3. #13

    Quote Originally Posted by Deadmanrising View Post
    INTP.

    The fact that you researched SO MUCH into the MBTI test already indicates that you're an INTP, but this.. yeah, welcome home.
    I just wrote a response to jeremusic2 that could also look at why I would do the same as an INTJ. I've seen your posts around and found them insightful so I'm interested in what you would think.

  4. #14

    Quote Originally Posted by Chemical Teddy View Post
    I just wrote a response to jeremusic2 that could also look at why I would do the same as an INTJ. I've seen your posts around and found them insightful so I'm interested in what you would think.
    Mhm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chemical Teddy View Post
    It just keeps getting more complicated.
    I delved into philosophy during my early teens and I came in contact with nihilism, existentialism and many other concepts that are similar in nature. It's rather possible that I wasn't emotionally ready for these things and they might have impacted me in a negative way.

    At that time I started not caring for a lot of things. I chalked it up to some form of depression created by not having a goal in life. It made sense because I thought I was an INTJ. INTJs are goal oriented and it would make sense that I would become depressed and uninterested due to the lack of direction in my life.

    I'm not so sure right now. I could be lying to myself. It's quite possible that I was lying to myself this entire time. For the last 2 weeks I've spent a lot of time thinking about MBTI for fun. I typed people I know and have them take the test to see if I was right. I looked into the functions and spent a good chunk of my time lurking the forum. I also have the tendency to research random stuff and just cycle through videos for hours, accumulating random knowledge.

    Now the question is: Am I a directionless INTJ sifting through random knowledge out of sheer desperation. An INTJ who has forced himself to enjoy random knowledge to cope with reality or an INTP who genuinely enjoys knowledge for the sake of knowledge.

    It's just so complicated.
    You seem too contemplative and indulged in possibilities, which points to you being an INTP. You don't have to be any extreme, for all we know you could be a 50-50 J and P, making you an INTx.

    Here's a personal experience:
    I too have wondered if I'm an INTJ that considers himself an INTP because he has no goals/is inadequate when it comes to a few particular things, but I had references to my past to point to the fact that I am, in fact, an INTP. I also have a close friend who's an INTJ. When the test gave me INTP: Turbulent, the only mistake it made was that I am an INTP: Assertive. My friend is an INTJ: Assertive, so I could clearly see the difference. Is that what you are? Looks very much like it to me. You behave a lot like me. I could give a 95% guarantee that you're just an "assertive" INTP. INTPs don't give 100% guarantees.. hehe. Anyway!


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    Picture these situations:

    -A 15 year old boy is designing a game on paper, drawing mythical creatures and making rules, just a day before a test. "Does the test matter?" he asks himself, the answer being "It might matter if you fail". So he makes his game, studies for half an hour in the morning and passes the test.

    What do you think of the boy?

    "He's right, clever dude. People who studied for the pointless exam are the real idiots."
    (INTP)

    "He's a child, nothing wrong with having an imagination but he needs to set his priorities straight."
    (INTJ)


    Note: You may not completely agree with either, but see which one you lean toward. That's the best I could think of, really.

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    If you're indeed an Assertive INTP, you may have experienced slight hypocrisy in life. You don't want to participate in what others do, but when you make something very imaginative and brilliant, like a game or a riddle, you find yourself being persistent about it.
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  5. #15

    Quote Originally Posted by akiyama View Post
    Describe how you behave around other people, with as much detail and correlated stuff as you can.
    Around strangers I tend to be polite and quiet for the most part. After all I'm just going through my day and I don't want any complications over nothing. Especially if there's nothing to gain by confrontation in the first place.

    Around friends I like to joke around. I don't speak all of the time, but when I do I try to say something witty and make them laugh. Some of my humor is dark. Some of my humor is absurd. Some of my humor over-glorifies me. Some of my humor is self-deprecating. Sometimes it's the combination of all those types of humor at the same time..

    I don't go outside much. Like, once every few months. I mostly see my friends at school.
    I have issues with authority in general. I've clashed with my teachers quite a few times. I usually do it in the form of a joke and only when a I think a teacher is a jackass.

    I often feel like my behavior is a mix of both types. It's weird.

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by Chemical Teddy View Post
    It's complicated. I haven't done any serious work in a very long time.

    As an INTJ I used to justify it by saying that I haven't found my goal life. I felt like everything was pointless so there wasn't any particular goal worth committing to. I don't really care about school and my grades are quite lacking at the moment.

    I do however spend very large amounts of time reading about random stuff on the internet.
    Just the other day I spent my entire day reading about the Chernobyl disaster.
    I have a lot of trouble focusing on my school work.

    I don't know if it's because I have no ultimate goal or I'm just lazy.
    I seemed to use the first explanation up until this point.
    THIS is INTP right here^

    I'm more convinced with each comment you post. There's no question. You are describing INTP exactly. Hang around INTJs and you'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemical Teddy View Post
    Around strangers I tend to be polite and quiet for the most part. After all I'm just going through my day and I don't want any complications over nothing. Especially if there's nothing to gain by confrontation in the first place.

    Around friends I like to joke around. I don't speak all of the time, but when I do I try to say something witty and make them laugh. Some of my humor is dark. Some of my humor is absurd. Some of my humor over-glorifies me. Some of my humor is self-deprecating. Sometimes it's the combination of all those types of humor at the same time..

    I don't go outside much. Like, once every few months. I mostly see my friends at school.
    I have issues with authority in general. I've clashed with my teachers quite a few times. I usually do it in the form of a joke and only when a I think a teacher is a jackass.

    I often feel like my behavior is a mix of both types. It's weird.
    Tell me how much do you agree with this hypothetical description of yourself, in a scale from 1 to 10, where 1 is "that's not me, not even in the slightest" and 10 is "are you freaking reading my mind?":

    I have a curious overriding desire to observe from a detached position. Since accurate analysis needs to avoid becoming hampered with details or being influenced by the actions of others, I invariably seek to withdraw, at least in spirit, from the situation being considered. This detachment can sometimes be so marked that I will readily see myself as a neutral observer having no personal association with that going on around me (unless forced to become directly involved through an attack on my principles).

    This principle of detachment even encompasses how I view myself. I may analyse my own thought processes as if my mind and body were separate from my conscious self. In wanting to understand my reactions to things, I may treat myself, even my own thoughts, as subjects for experiment. At the extreme end of the scale, the ultimate ideal goal of understanding the world with total clarity would be achieved through total detachment from everything. Fortunately, such an unhealthy state is never reached.

    Where detachment ceases is when someone makes an illogical statement or violates one of my principles. At such a point, I feel the instant drive to provide for clarity. This is my Mission; to be the provider of clarity, and I'm often suspicious that I'm the only person I know capable of this task. Here, I risk being seen as over-critical, aloof and arrogant. On the whole, however, real arrogance is rare in myself for my desire is absolutely not to dominate others but simply to observe, analyse and clarify. Once the point has been clarified, I withdraw quickly, for I prefer not to be in the limelight unless absolutely necessary. Hence, for most of the time, I'm easy-going and will fit in to others' needs, taking up the role of observer again.

    I rarely fear any factual thing in the outside world, at least not things that will be encountered in normal day-to-day living. Logic stipulates that external objects or people which threaten can always potentially be dealt with by instigating an active defence strategy. Of course, the possibility of being left truly helpless leaves me very cold, for once I'm being defeated, my internal feelings can offer little comfort. Resigned acceptance of the unacceptable is an anathema for me. My typical response to helplessness is to hate the world which has produced it. However, my greatest fears are usually ideas generated within my own mind. The problem is that I'm capable of conceiving very unpleasant ideas, which may be far from reality and even irrational. This can sometimes override a common sense factual grasp on reality.

  8. #18

    Quote Originally Posted by Deadmanrising View Post
    What do you think of the boy?

    "He's right, clever dude. People who studied for the pointless exam are the real idiots."
    (INTP)

    "He's a child, nothing wrong with having an imagination but he needs to set his priorities straight."
    (INTJ)
    .
    Well, I would have to lean towards the INTP response. Hell, I'm supposed to be studying right now but I'm spending time on this forum instead. That could still mean I'm an INTJ who doesn't put much relevance into academia though. It's rather fuzzy.

  9. #19
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Or it means you're doing what an INTP does best..squandering time!

  10. #20
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    As someone who's neither INTP or INTJ but knows people of both types, I'll just say: just accept your INTPness XD

    Look, INTJs will rarely suffer that much because they don't have a goal. Their goal doesn't have to be the goal, they will just focus on getting things done until they find something really worth being dedicated to. The way you describe yourself screams Ti Ne.
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