This is a discussion on Dehumanizing? within the INTP Forum - The Thinkers forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Originally Posted by Epherion The purpose of all wars is economic gain as well as territorial. I really dont understand ...
Forget economic gain or any other terminology, nations go to war to further progress their own nation in whichever way they happen to benefit, even if it's just for notoriety ;).
I'd have to say, I don't really care that much about human life.
Humans irritate me too much, maybe.
It doesn't really bother me when people dehumanize. I can see their logic.
There's too many people on the planet anyway.
But I can also see the logic of people who think that dehumanizing is immoral.
It's too complicated to be put in black and white. Ask me again in about seven thousand years. I might have an answer then.
A lot you keep trying to say the world is overpopulated like it's some known, objective fact. Some people use numbers to make the case that the world isn't overpopulated:
Is Earth Overpopulated? « End of Men
"The distribution of the world’s wealth and power is the real problem."
(Disclaimer: I'm not saying I agree with this).
So, yeah, beware and steer clear.
Hmm... this is fascinating. I think I tend to straddle the fence.
On one hand, I think humans are utterly destroying the planet and I think justice will be served when we finally wipe ourselves out. I think there are too many people on the planet. I think that statistically, the loss of a couple thousand lives doesn't really mean much when our population growth is through the roof. I think that people with disabilities, in a Darwinian and economic sense, are less apt to survive well and prosper. I think people do shitty, awful things, like rape and kill and abuse, and those people don't deserve to live.
That said, I've worked and volunteered at nonprofits and on behalf of humanitarian causes for the past three years. I am incapable of harming others, animal or human. I've worked with people who have disabilities and honestly would never advocate for any sort of genocide for them or anyone else on the planet. I have been working on policies that benefit people with HIV, even though many countries seem to think we should just let people die off. I don't believe in the death penalty. I don't believe in legislating family size.
I don't think it's completely strange to accept the fact and reality of life on earth (overpopulation, genocide, disabilities, war, people suck, shit happens, etc.) and still have concern enough to want to make it a better place. I keep a lot of my thoughts like this private because they seem cruel and cold, but I think you have to start from a point of rationality and move toward change from there. If we can't honestly look at where we are, how do we decide where we should go? What we should be?
-accidental double post-
Malthus and the "Malthusian catastrophe" of overpopulation was shown to be mistaken decades ago (thanks largely to economists such as Julian Simon).
Julian Simon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As the blog you linked stated, the problem is not overpopulation (on a global scale), but poor distribution of resources. Unfortunately this piece of "common wisdom" has continued to pass around the public.
Another question is will the earth be overpopulated 300 years from now? I agree with the economists (dubbed 'cornocupians') who state, that no, it won't. The standard of living will continue to grow in almost all areas of the world, and the population of the world is projected to level off for quite some time around the year 2050 (due to decreasing birth rates in most industrialized nations).