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This is a discussion on Dehumanizing? within the INTP Forum - The Thinkers forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Originally Posted by Epherion The purpose of all wars is economic gain as well as territorial. I really dont understand ...

  1. #61
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by Epherion View Post
    The purpose of all wars is economic gain as well as territorial.

    I really dont understand you Americans sometimes.
    "How to split up the pie" would be a considerable part of the new social contract that the defeated side would be required to sign off on in order to restore peace. Economics isn't the only reason wars are fought - there is such a thing as national pride. One of the reasons we declared war against the UK in 1812 was impressment of our sailors. Not the sole reason of course, we also wanted Canada.

  2. #62
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Forget economic gain or any other terminology, nations go to war to further progress their own nation in whichever way they happen to benefit, even if it's just for notoriety ;).

  3. #63
    INTP - The Thinkers

    I'd have to say, I don't really care that much about human life.
    Humans irritate me too much, maybe.
    It doesn't really bother me when people dehumanize. I can see their logic.
    There's too many people on the planet anyway.
    But I can also see the logic of people who think that dehumanizing is immoral.
    It's too complicated to be put in black and white. Ask me again in about seven thousand years. I might have an answer then.
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  4. #64
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyeddie View Post
    "How to split up the pie" would be a considerable part of the new social contract that the defeated side would be required to sign off on in order to restore peace. Economics isn't the only reason wars are fought - there is such a thing as national pride. One of the reasons we declared war against the UK in 1812 was impressment of our sailors. Not the sole reason of course, we also wanted Canada.
    The sailors were merely and excuse. A pawn sacrifiecd to get the king.

  5. #65
    Unknown Personality

    A lot you keep trying to say the world is overpopulated like it's some known, objective fact. Some people use numbers to make the case that the world isn't overpopulated:
    Is Earth Overpopulated? « End of Men
    "The distribution of the world’s wealth and power is the real problem."

    (Disclaimer: I'm not saying I agree with this).

  6. #66
    INFP - The Idealists

    Quote Originally Posted by TheOwl View Post
    Does it bother you when people dehumanize the world?
    Or do you tend to dehumanize?

    Today, my Ti-dominant friend was basically saying that, since there are so many of them, people are disposable.
    It made me angry, and I felt like I should never talk to him again...but he is so interesting to talk to. It's just that I had romantic feelings, and now they're vanishing because he seems like an asshole. Maybe I'm thinking too much about it.
    I once had romantic feelings for someone who had that kind of attitude about people. (He was a very messed up INTP, but I imagine he would have been pretty screwed up no matter what type he had been.) As soon as I was in a relationship with him, I discovered that he only cared about himself. The only reasons he ever did anything for others was that he expected them to feel indebted to him, but as soon as they were out of earshot, he talked about the ways he wanted them all to die. Even his closest friends who loved and trusted him meant about as much to him as bacteria. He was extremely abusive to me as well, hitting me and putting me down, and he was very open about the fact that he was constantly looking for someone to replace me with.

    So, yeah, beware and steer clear.



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  7. #67
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by Epherion View Post
    The sailors were merely and excuse. A pawn sacrifiecd to get the king.
    The reason old men start wars is not the reason young men fight wars.
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  8. #68
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Hmm... this is fascinating. I think I tend to straddle the fence.

    On one hand, I think humans are utterly destroying the planet and I think justice will be served when we finally wipe ourselves out. I think there are too many people on the planet. I think that statistically, the loss of a couple thousand lives doesn't really mean much when our population growth is through the roof. I think that people with disabilities, in a Darwinian and economic sense, are less apt to survive well and prosper. I think people do shitty, awful things, like rape and kill and abuse, and those people don't deserve to live.

    That said, I've worked and volunteered at nonprofits and on behalf of humanitarian causes for the past three years. I am incapable of harming others, animal or human. I've worked with people who have disabilities and honestly would never advocate for any sort of genocide for them or anyone else on the planet. I have been working on policies that benefit people with HIV, even though many countries seem to think we should just let people die off. I don't believe in the death penalty. I don't believe in legislating family size.

    I don't think it's completely strange to accept the fact and reality of life on earth (overpopulation, genocide, disabilities, war, people suck, shit happens, etc.) and still have concern enough to want to make it a better place. I keep a lot of my thoughts like this private because they seem cruel and cold, but I think you have to start from a point of rationality and move toward change from there. If we can't honestly look at where we are, how do we decide where we should go? What we should be?
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    INTP - The Thinkers


    -accidental double post-

  10. #70
    INTP - The Thinkers


    Quote Originally Posted by crazyeddie View Post
    Hmm. Well, I think INTPs generally have smaller, but more intense monkeyspheres than most. It might be a bit liberating to have a reason not to care about random strangers. We also have a tendency to say things we don't whole-heartedly believe to see what kind of reaction we get out of the other person. It's possible that's what he was doing. On the other hand, just because somebody's an INTP, doesn't mean they ain't an asshole.
    Thanked for a nice piece of wisdom (and also for making me look up the word 'monkeysphere', ha)


    Quote Originally Posted by TheOwl View Post
    A lot you keep trying to say the world is overpopulated like it's some known, objective fact. Some people use numbers to make the case that the world isn't overpopulated:
    Is Earth Overpopulated? « End of Men
    "The distribution of the world’s wealth and power is the real problem."

    (Disclaimer: I'm not saying I agree with this).

    Malthus and the "Malthusian catastrophe" of overpopulation was shown to be mistaken decades ago (thanks largely to economists such as Julian Simon).
    Julian Simon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    As the blog you linked stated, the problem is not overpopulation (on a global scale), but poor distribution of resources. Unfortunately this piece of "common wisdom" has continued to pass around the public.


    Another question is will the earth be overpopulated 300 years from now? I agree with the economists (dubbed 'cornocupians') who state, that no, it won't. The standard of living will continue to grow in almost all areas of the world, and the population of the world is projected to level off for quite some time around the year 2050 (due to decreasing birth rates in most industrialized nations).
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