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    Carl Jung succinct: subjective vs objective functions

    Objective
    Objective functions orient around the “object”, external reality. Thus they preserve the integrity of the external world. Such data is not coerced (subjected) since that destroys the integrity of the object therefore the quality of the meaning being produced. These functions are “static” as they trust strictly the accuracy of the external world, attempting to match it. Objective functions take the various data from the objective world as it is.


    Subjective
    Subjective functions have data coerced around a “subject”, for meaning to be derived. The various data from the objective world is “focused” in order to create understanding. Accuracy of the objective is shunned since the psyche can’t derive meaning without a subject. A misconception is that this data is made up by the psyche; contrary, this data originates from the external reality, like the objective data, the only slight difference is that it is focused. Subjective functions are “dynamic” as they can easily change with their ability to easily create a subject at will.


    People can’t have both subjective and objective versions of the same function. Usually because objective and subjective functions work together, confusion can emerge as whether a person has either one or the other.We are all thinkers, feelers, intuitionists and sensors; the simple question is merely what kind and what order. It is all about what is subjective and objective in your personality.


    Extroverted Thinking
    Valuing external logic, the psyche prefers to guide its sense of logic by looking for evidence to support the desired logic. Like Ti, the Te psyche can create internal logical classifications to build understanding. However the difference is that the logic (guided by another subjective function) made must have a strong adherence to the external reality else the psyche disputes it. Ti doesn’t care though hence it prefers to mould its understanding around its perception data, which it hopes is accurate hence such psyches dislike loops (Ti-Ni or Ti-Si loops).


    Extroverted Feeling
    External ethics work exactly like Te. The psyche prefers to guide its sense of understanding by looking for external ethics, evidence. And again like Fi, the psyche Fe psyche is capable of creating internal ethics classifications (guided by another subjective function), with the exception that the ethics must be strongly externally verifiable. Fi doesn’t care though. Fi doesn’t care though hence it prefers to mould its understanding around its perception data, which it hopes is accurate hence such psyches dislike loops (Fi-Ni or Fi-Si loops).


    Extroverted Sensing
    Extroverted sensing takes information as it is from external reality like judgement functions Fe and Te. Since, Se lacks a subject like other objective functions, the accuracy of the external world leads to no understanding without a subjective function to anchor things into place. Se yields no fruit when working with Te or Fe, without an intermediate subject at hand.


    Extroverted Intuition
    Extroverted intuition takes information as it is from external reality like Se and the extroverted judgement functions. Lacking a subject, like other objective functions, Ne similarly requires a subjective function to anchor things into place. Ne similarly yields no fruit when working with Te or Fe, without an intermediate subject at hand.


    Introverted Thinking
    Introverted logic has similarities to Te in the sense that the psyche sources its data from the external world. Ti types can see the same logic as Te types do, they don’t invent logic in order to create understanding. Instead, they focus and “subject” the external logic creating meaning. In subjecting the logic, these types hope that the perception data they employ is objective as that becomes the only final frontier establishing objective understanding. As stated before loops (Ti-Si or Ti-Ni) are disliked since they naturally distort the perception of reality.


    Introverted Feeling
    Introverted ethics has similarities to Fe in the sense that the psyche sources its data from the external world. Fi types can see the same ethics as Fe ones therefore; they don’t invent their ethics when creating meaning. They focus and “subject” the external ethics to make sense of the world. Subjecting ethics, these types usually hope that the perception data employed is objective since that is the only frontier for objective understanding. As stated before loops (Fi-Si or Fi-Ni) are disliked since they naturally distort the truth.


    Introverted Sensing
    Introverted sensing is a perception function taking in information from the external reality as Ne and Se. Like other introverted functions, it doesn’t invent understanding since the data it sources is from the objective world. Si subjects its data it takes from reality in order to derive meaning, therefore handling raw data “Se” data, objective sensing is useless since meaning is absent without a subject. As Si is subjective, it realise on objective judgement to make sense of its findings thus attempting to salvage an objective truth.


    Introverted Intuition
    Introverted intuition is a perception function like Si, taking in information from the external reality as its objective counterpart Ne. Like other introverted functions, it doesn’t necessarily magic up understandings since the data it sources is from the objective world. Ni subjects the data from reality in order to derive meaning, therefore handling raw data “Ne” data, objectively is useless since meaning is absent without a subject at hand. Being subjective, it realise on objective judgement to derive objective truth.


    *Memory has little to do with Si as Jung had put it.
    *the magic eureka moment that Ni people claim to have isn’t exclusive to people with that function, everybody has a subconscious.
    *Fe doesn’t hold exclusive rights for empathizing, sympathising and understanding social norms that create a harmonious environment
    *Te isn’t the get things done function or bulldozing
    *Fi doesn’t hold exclusive rights for creating an understanding of the self
    *Se doesn’t have the exclusive rights to collecting sensory data from the environment (only it and Si can do so)
    *Ne doesn’t mean visionary “creative” discovering hidden potential (Ni can do so too)


    Since the introverted functions hold the subject, they are the ones that create meaning, thus influencing the type of memories that are created. As an example, Ti types will have a library of logical classifications; Fi a library of feeling based classifications; Ni a library of intuition; and Si a library of sensed data. I’ll add that the objective functions influence these “libraries” greatly but they are structured by the subjective functions

    THE POST HAS WORD ORDERING ERRORS I PROBABLY FAILED TO NOTICE, typing issues, plus too much editing
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    So, in a nutshell, this?

    Objective Functions

    Extroverted Thinking (Te): objective logic based on external facts.
    Extroverted Feeling (Fe): objective emotions based on external ethics.
    Extroverted Sensing (Se): objective actions based on external environment.
    Extroverted Intuition (Ne): objective ideas based on external environment.

    Subjective Functions

    Introverted Thinking (Ti): personal significance given to internal logic.
    Introverted Feeling (Fi): personal significance given to internal emotions.
    Introverted Sensing (Si): personal significance given to past experience.
    Introverted Intuition (Ni): personal significance given to futuristic vision.

    The subjective functions will directly impact the objective functions. Si or Ni can hamper Fe or Te’s objectivity; Ti or Fi can hamper Se or Ne’s action and ideas. (?)


 

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