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    Hugs are my cryptonite. Almost never want to give em myself, nor receive them. Hate how i am socially forced to do them with relatives for example. A lot of Fe social norms are bullshit to me. Not sure if i should start discussion how world is full of fakeness.

  2. #22

    Quote Originally Posted by Librarian View Post
    One thing I've learned is ISTJs don't come in just one flavor, no type does. I often find myself relating to what @AllyKat posts, for example, and I had a similar experience with mistyping as INTJ. I mean, if she was INTJ, that's fine too, but I still know I'm not one, even if I still related to her posts if she said she was one. Maybe it just means I'm an ISTJ a bit more connected to Ne. Doesn't change the fact that I'm ISTJ.
    I should probably stress here that I don't think I am INTJ. Second closest type maybe, but not really me all the same. More to the point, I only started paying attention to MBTI because ISTJ was so me in the first place. Anyway, the point I was attempting to make to the OP (and in some ways I skirted around it a little because I didn't want it to turn into a personal rant) was basically that a) tests don't necessarily give you an accurate result and b) you can look at places like this forum and pick up lots of stereotypes where people claim something as an intuitive trait and you think "Well, I've always done that" and it makes you sound like you're an N type when really it's a common trait to, say, all IxxJs or IxTxs etc. or just introversion in general. The same applies to F and T differences of course.

    Truth be told, if I had any genuine doubts about my type, I wouldn't have even posted in response to the OP because my thoughts would have no practical value and would have helped no-one if I don't even know myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by grumpytiger View Post
    OK, so in another thread you were saying you have to put together the sensory details of the situation by reasoning e.g. when recalling something. And I commented that it seems like a very slow process to access Sensory perception.
    I consider myself a relatively slow thinker, although this isn't something that seriously hinders me, and it isn't anything others criticise me for, so read that as you will. My memories come back to me almost in real-time in effect a lot of the time, so the part about working outwards I suspect is as much replication of how I experience the world in the first place. I'm not convinced any of this is particularly related to anything in MBTI or specific to recalling sensory data. Or indeed if I'm completely accurate in relating this because this is mostly stuff that just happens as it happens and you don't think about it. And I probably explained what I was attempting to convey very poorly. However, wouldn't the difference in S and N be that a sensing type would recall the sensory data and the intuitive type would recall the concept of the memory as their primary focus of the memory in question?

    Then you added that you are quite eclectic, and are very focused on improving stuff. Those together really sounded INTJ to me along with the slow process as above. I find a big difference between INTJ and ISTJ is that. Even though these two types have quite some similarities otherwise.
    So I'm not sure why this specifically gives a result of INTJ over ISTJ? I'm missing something here.

    My INTJ friend commented once that she can't imagine how her ISTJ bf can just superficially "glide" about things in the environment. I mean, superficial compared to her. I'm the same way as her bf, too with Sensing. She's instead very very detailed and slow in the attempt to access and build up her sensory awareness instead. She's overall quite detail oriented but in a different way than me. Her way is closer to non-typical (also not "neurotypical", she's borderline Aspergers). Another difference I see between us is that she's way more easily attracted to weird stuff, weird ideas and observations about things. I find her quite fun in a sense overall, though, just that gets a bit too weird sometimes lol (don't get me wrong, I'm not judging her for it!).
    What do you mean by 'gliding' about the environment? Superficial sounds more like he doesn't notice anything, but I'm guessing that's not what you mean here?

    I haven't really got anything to go on here with regards to 'weird' because I don't know you or your friend, and while sometimes people think I'm weird, I get as much thinking I'm ordinary or boring. Like my ENFP cousin would say I'm weird (but cool with it) just because I'm passionate about science (and love maths). And being a female thinker screws some people's natural gender stereotypes and they think you're weird accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllyKat View Post
    I should probably stress here that I don't think I am INTJ. Second closest type maybe, but not really me all the same. More to the point, I only started paying attention to MBTI because ISTJ was so me in the first place.
    Oh, I didn't think you typed as INTJ or that type would be in your profile. Btw it's funny about you paying attention to MBTI due to that, for some reason it was hard for me to accept that I'm this type. I originally just related to the T dichotomy, that one was so spot on without having to accept it or anything that it convinced me there was something to this model, and the rest of it I discovered slowly later.


    Truth be told, if I had any genuine doubts about my type, I wouldn't have even posted in response to the OP because my thoughts would have no practical value and would have helped no-one if I don't even know myself.
    I wasn't trying to insinuate that you don't know yourself. It's an entirely separate issue as to how one interprets the MBTI theory itself.


    My memories come back to me almost in real-time in effect a lot of the time, so the part about working outwards I suspect is as much replication of how I experience the world in the first place.
    That was my assumption, actually. Btw, for whatever it's worth for different interpretations of the theory, I personally definitely don't sense the world in that way but I already described that in the linked thread.


    I'm not convinced any of this is particularly related to anything in MBTI or specific to recalling sensory data. Or indeed if I'm completely accurate in relating this because this is mostly stuff that just happens as it happens and you don't think about it. And I probably explained what I was attempting to convey very poorly. However, wouldn't the difference in S and N be that a sensing type would recall the sensory data and the intuitive type would recall the concept of the memory as their primary focus of the memory in question?
    Regarding the specific topic/context here, he Sensing type perceives the sensory information directly and the Intuitive type has to build it up (when they do pay attention at all), this is the difference in my understanding.


    So I'm not sure why this specifically gives a result of INTJ over ISTJ? I'm missing something here.
    The essence of INTJ is improving on things with a vision in their mind. That's what you described in the linked thread.

    They are not mysterious Ni prophets or anything like that btw, heh. I actually find INTJs decently practical, and very sober. My friend also recognizes she's practical and I agree, she's an interesting mix of practical and theoretical. I am too, but in a different way.

    She's interesting because on one hand she's very pragmatic about how to do things, and on how to use her time, and she claims she sees nothing in things where other people will "imagine" things, e.g. for the Rorschach images, also, she can't really follow what arts are about and stuff like that. She'll score quite low on some aspects of Openness of the Big Five, too (the artistic-feely stuff... but very high for other aspects, like Intellect). But she's also borderline AS...


    What do you mean by 'gliding' about the environment? Superficial sounds more like he doesn't notice anything, but I'm guessing that's not what you mean here?
    It means her bf (and me too) is way quicker at directly sensing the environment and is more at ease with it. To her it appears superficial, because she takes her time with processing this stuff. She used the word "gliding" herself, I'm just trying to convey her impression as well as I could.


    I haven't really got anything to go on here with regards to 'weird' because I don't know you or your friend, and while sometimes people think I'm weird, I get as much thinking I'm ordinary or boring. Like my ENFP cousin would say I'm weird (but cool with it) just because I'm passionate about science (and love maths). And being a female thinker screws some people's natural gender stereotypes and they think you're weird accordingly.
    Well my friend likes to make up her own concepts on stuff that I never see anywhere else (so it's quite original, but can come off as weird, again I'm not saying this is bad), and has unconventional interests and preferences. We both like science btw. :)
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    @grumpytiger
    I agree that there are parts of her post that were reason for doubt; I just wanted to point out that certain parts, like some of what you bolded, are not all things to cast certain doubt and -could- be ISTJ. I think more details are necessary, as so far its a bit too scant for me to give any verdict, so hopefully she can elaborate a bit more. I realize my response may have come across too personal, I'm afraid because I have a little too much experience with being mistyped and confused by some very questionable advice (not PerC), I tend to be critical of questioning things too abruptly, particularly a type quite different from the initial one.

    @AllyKat
    I should probably stress here that I don't think I am INTJ. Second closest type maybe, but not really me all the same. More to the point, I only started paying attention to MBTI because ISTJ was so me in the first place. Anyway, the point I was attempting to make to the OP (and in some ways I skirted around it a little because I didn't want it to turn into a personal rant) was basically that a) tests don't necessarily give you an accurate result and b) you can look at places like this forum and pick up lots of stereotypes where people claim something as an intuitive trait and you think "Well, I've always done that" and it makes you sound like you're an N type when really it's a common trait to, say, all IxxJs or IxTxs etc. or just introversion in general. The same applies to F and T differences of course.
    I do think your posts ring true to Si, actually; I just also know sometimes people will change their types a lot for whatever reasons, and it may be best for me not to assume type and whatnot.

    Truth be told, if I had any genuine doubts about my type, I wouldn't have even posted in response to the OP because my thoughts would have no practical value and would have helped no-one if I don't even know myself.
    Yes, I actually think that way myself about a few things, making sure I'm coming from a place that can offer value or a different view, etc.

    (I will wait for OP elaboration to make a better, likely more realistic, assessment on her type.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Librarian View Post
    @grumpytiger
    I agree that there are parts of her post that were reason for doubt; I just wanted to point out that certain parts, like some of what you bolded, are not all things to cast certain doubt and -could- be ISTJ. I think more details are necessary, as so far its a bit too scant for me to give any verdict, so hopefully she can elaborate a bit more. I realize my response may have come across too personal, I'm afraid because I have a little too much experience with being mistyped and confused by some very questionable advice (not PerC), I tend to be critical of questioning things too abruptly, particularly a type quite different from the initial one.
    Honestly, if just going by the percentages of OP's test results, she could be any IxxJ type.

    Don't worry, I didn't feel you were being too personal. You were a bit argumentative but that's totally fine by me heh.

    If OP ever comes back then yeah, sure, it can be discussed further, until then not much of a point to it. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllyKat View Post

    Truth be told, if I had any genuine doubts about my type, I wouldn't have even posted in response to the OP because my thoughts would have no practical value and would have helped no-one if I don't even know myself.
    .
    I know it from somewhere .. I hesitated to label or post on this forum without being sure on the type. Didn't want to mislead people speaking as a type i might not be. Spent 4 months lurking and researching. However in my case there is no type across all 16 which i can say "it so me". ISTJ makes most sense to me and is most likely closest match.
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    @grumpytiger

    After re-reading your comments in the other thread, and also I noticed some of your comments elsewhere on introversion/extraversion I think I'm a little clearer on where you're coming from. From what I can gather, it seems that at least some of the things I see as introversion, you see as intuition. I need to reflect a little on how I've communicated some of the ideas in the other thread as well, as I'm not sure if I made the points I was intending to make clearly in light of your comments.

    I may also have misinterpreted your first response somewhat, as my understanding was that you believed I was INTJ rather than ISTJ. I want to clarify I didn't think you were saying I didn't know myself though, that was a more generic comment as I was concerned that people looking at this thread would interpret my post differently than I intended if they thought I was mistyped. Librarian's response hinted at this, so I felt I should clarify. It wasn't really directed specifically at either of you; it doesn't make a huge difference to me what people think of me, but I didn't want any ambiguity in my original post created by the doubt of 'does she even know herself?'.

    Quote Originally Posted by grumpytiger View Post
    It means her bf (and me too) is way quicker at directly sensing the environment and is more at ease with it. To her it appears superficial, because she takes her time with processing this stuff. She used the word "gliding" herself, I'm just trying to convey her impression as well as I could.
    It's never occurred to me that I might not 'directly sense the environment' or have less sensory awareness than, for example, other people around me. I'm going to have to reflect on this. It strikes me as really odd to think someone would see me this way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Librarian View Post
    @AllyKat

    I do think your posts ring true to Si, actually;
    It's bad, sometimes I review my posts and delete or rephrase the really stereotypical stuff because I'm thinking "I'm such a walking stereotype, no one's going to take this seriously when they read that". I find it interesting to look at the things which don't seem stereotypical though and how and why they manifest as they do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elwinz View Post
    I know it from somewhere .. I hesitated to label or post on this forum without being sure on the type. Didn't want to mislead people speaking as a type i might not be. Spent 4 months lurking and researching. However in my case there is no type across all 16 which i can say "it so me". ISTJ makes most sense to me and is most likely closest match.
    I think it's a common view for an ISTJ. We're cautious because we like to express only accurate facts and make decisions only when we're sure so we don't have to change them. That's not saying other (particularly introverted) types might not be somewhat cautious but it does seem like a fairly solid trait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllyKat View Post
    @grumpytiger

    After re-reading your comments in the other thread, and also I noticed some of your comments elsewhere on introversion/extraversion I think I'm a little clearer on where you're coming from. From what I can gather, it seems that at least some of the things I see as introversion, you see as intuition. I need to reflect a little on how I've communicated some of the ideas in the other thread as well, as I'm not sure if I made the points I was intending to make clearly in light of your comments.
    OK, if you find a better way to put it into words, sure feel free to let me know.


    I may also have misinterpreted your first response somewhat, as my understanding was that you believed I was INTJ rather than ISTJ. I want to clarify I didn't think you were saying I didn't know myself though, that was a more generic comment as I was concerned that people looking at this thread would interpret my post differently than I intended if they thought I was mistyped. Librarian's response hinted at this, so I felt I should clarify. It wasn't really directed specifically at either of you; it doesn't make a huge difference to me what people think of me, but I didn't want any ambiguity in my original post created by the doubt of 'does she even know herself?'.
    I didn't even consider the idea that anyone could think "does she even know herself".

    Like I said this isn't about that but about how things are interpreted for the theory.

    What I said was that INTJ could make sense for you, but I don't know you, I was just going by those posts.

    I think if some people interpret a post differently just based on what type wrote it, the opinion of those people mean basically nothing. That's just incredibly bad bias to me and an unrealistic way of viewing things. If you see what I mean.


    It's never occurred to me that I might not 'directly sense the environment' or have less sensory awareness than, for example, other people around me. I'm going to have to reflect on this. It strikes me as really odd to think someone would see me this way.
    Just that slowness you described. But like you said, if you have a better way to put all that into words, I'm interested. :)


    I think it's a common view for an ISTJ. We're cautious because we like to express only accurate facts and make decisions only when we're sure so we don't have to change them. That's not saying other (particularly introverted) types might not be somewhat cautious but it does seem like a fairly solid trait.
    Hm. I don't really feel cautious with that (with making sure about the decisions), I just feel clear, certain and decisive... I feel cautious if I feel I'm holding myself back due to caution, that's very different. And frankly I don't really like it much, either. Because it probably happens when I hold myself back more than default, so it's less natural. I have a level of restraint but if I go more in that direction is when it can feel too cautious etc. When I don't like it it can also happen when it conflicts with another goal. Like, "I'd like this thing, but wait, this isn't clear, so I need to wait first..."
    Last edited by grumpytiger; 04-09-2018 at 04:29 PM.
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