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@Love, please don't take this as a personal assault... I have no idea what your motivations were for posting it. Comments below pertain solely to the content of the video.
Sorry, but that video was just plain awful. About the only identifiable aspects of how he thinks the ISTJ mind operates were regarding knowledge collection and being safety oriented. The rest was just the typical "If I acted this way, this is what would make me do that so that must be what's motivating them. too".
This guy should take some of his own advice and actually verify what he's pontificating about. In particular, he spent a very large portion of the video going on and on (and on) about ISTJ "laziness". When an ISTJ appears to be procrastinating (I would not dispute that we can appear that way), it rarely has anything to do with being lazy. It has everything to do with what he claims we don't do... we're VERIFYING before we take action... not only the sources but also playing out all the possible scenarios so that we can be prepared for whatever might result when we do take action. If that's not fast enough for some, I don't really care... tough shit to those reckless assholes... but don't claim it's laziness on the ISTJ's part.
Pretty much any time he tried to explain the inner workings of the ISTJ thought process, he failed miserably... he just has no clue. The ironic part is that a good part of the video was critical of ISTJs for acting "authoritative without verification", and that is EXACTLY what he did in this video.
Last edited by jcal; 05-31-2019 at 07:30 AM.
I remember watching this video a while ago, and the phrase "library of Alexandria" keeps repeating from my memory lol.
I find his portraits of ISTJ to be too subjective to his own opinions (like calling us lazy - what lol).
Anyway, I like Michael Pierce's portrait of the ISTJ a lot more.
One of the bigger cringe-worthy moments in this video was his "They'll want to hurt you if you don't take their advice". WTF? There are two cases for this:
With an "insider", I'll pretty much never lose patience, regardless of whether they take my advice or not.
With an "outsider", I might not be inclined to help again in the future, but intentionally "hurt" them? ...no way. I really don't care enough about outsiders to worry about what they do or if they follow my suggestions. I might not be particularly sympathetic if they do get hurt as a consequence, but I certainly don't wish for that, nor would I look to add to their problems to "teach them a lesson". Teaching outsiders lessons is not part of my job description.
Last edited by jcal; 05-31-2019 at 09:40 AM.
^ Agree with all of the above. I also watched the video a while back and it was a half-hour waste of my time. I'm not lazy and I don't intentionally set out to hurt anyone. Like the others said, I do try to make a Plan A (and a Plan B, C, D, etc.) as well as dealing with the fallout depending on who is affected; inner vs. outer circle/strangers. I admittedly worry more about the plan than I do mollycoddling someone's feelings, but in the end it's worth it because the plan usually ends up going well and then the butthurt person realizes that I was just trying to get things done as they wanted in the first place.
C S Joseph is kind of an unfortunate hack who's usually half right and half woefully wrong. Relies too much on non-Jungian versions of "cognitive functions" and throws in a fuckton of personal opinion while pretending it's factual.
I didn't watch further than 5-6 minutes but it sounds like the laziness thing is from the perspective of ISTJ having low Ne and this guy expecting more of it. I would agree in that way actually lol. I'm not lazy in the normal sense of the word though, no.
In any case, there's more than just that in what he said. He spoke very clearly about ISTJs preferring to be playing video games and not wanting to expend the effort to break out of their comfort zone. That *IS* 'lazy in the normal sense'. While he's quite entitled to his own opinion based on his own experiences and perceptions, creating a video that claims to define who we are as if his opinions were some sort of authoritative guide to the inner workings of the ISTJ mind is both ridiculous and irresponsible.
Last edited by jcal; 05-31-2019 at 11:55 AM.
Seen that guy long time ago and he is an idiot. While i do agree with his laziness, his general idea is non sense. Not sure if it was that video or another one, but he claimed that entire goal of life for ISTJ is becoming walking library of Alexandra. I know where he is coming from, because he defines Si like Myers did as memory and storing facts, but that is retarded claim with no connection to reality. Si isn't about facts and Te is really practical knowledge, knowledge for knowledge says is Ti.