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This is a discussion on ISTP Emotions within the ISTP Forum - The Mechanics forums, part of the SP's Temperament Forum- The Creators category; @ Northern Lights Super interesting stuff, although also super foreign to me. How can you not assign value to things ...

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    @Northern Lights

    Super interesting stuff, although also super foreign to me. How can you not assign value to things and how can you not feel a giant, sharp throb of pain at the death of dearly beloved ones? Those are just rhetorical questions, no judgment or anything like that intended. Just so different from me. Actually, I think my husband is very similar. Every time we watch something extremely sad on TV like that movie In This Corner of the World and I'm bawling my eyes out, I look at him and he just blankly staring and I ask him if he feels sad, and he's like not really. He's by no means a psychopath or evil or anything like that, he's actually very caring and loving, but it's like you mentioned, his default mode is like 90% contentment. 10% would be those rare moments of other, and it really takes somebody extremely close to him to trigger it. Strangers could never. How fascinating, seriously.

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    ISTP

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicks View Post
    I see ISTPs as being very emotional, although they might not be good at showing it. Also they have that INFP super ego.
    I would never have considered myself and ego in the same breath or sentence. That just didn’t tabulate for me. I do consider myself confident in areas I have been trained in or where I have ample experience. But you may be correct. It could be that what seems to me to be confidence projects to others as ego. You may have just shared a very valuable observation.

    Thanks, I needed that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ai.tran.75 View Post
    I think everyone have fi it's just not used the same way

    Anyhow curiosity- if someone was the rape their own child for pure pleasure- would that be a matter of wrong or right or true or false in your eyes?
    @ai: Also compare my post in your forum, here.

    The thing is this: Certainly either of those things is "wrong". But "right" and "wrong" are entirely abstract to me. It's nothing concrete, nothing tangible -- it's a concept I can treat intellectually, an issue I have an opinion on, but that's it. In particular, "it's wrong" isn't what is stopping me from doing anything. It couldn't, not if it's that abstract. What is stopping me e.g. from your example is that it doesn't make sense. It's incomprehensibly irrational. And that is my indictment -- and from my perspective, it equals your "it's wrong", in bite and meaning. It certainly possesses the same conviction, the same quality of just knowing this is the case.


    @Bunniculla : Keep in mind I haven't experienced it yet, although my projection of how I would react is nearly infallible. Anyway, funnily enough, I easily get teary-eyed at emotional scenes in movies and stuff. Say, Frodo leaving at the end of LotR. It's just that it's ... well, this is hard to describe. Like it's an externally induced reaction? Like, not my feelings. I don't feel sad. It is sad. And I react to that, involuntarily. Does that make any kind of sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Lights View Post
    Keep in mind I haven't experienced it yet, although my projection of how I would react is nearly infallible. Anyway, funnily enough, I easily get teary-eyed at emotional scenes in movies and stuff. Say, Frodo leaving at the end of LotR. It's just that it's ... well, this is hard to describe. Like it's an externally induced reaction? Like, not my feelings. I don't feel sad. It is sad. And I react to that, involuntarily. Does that make any kind of sense?
    Conceptually, yes it makes sense, but personally (like can I imagine myself doing it and put myself in your shoes), flat out no lol. I can't imagine how it would be to absorb the actual/universally accepted interpretation of external vibe/emotion but not knowing that it was also my own from within? Now, I don't know if that makes sense to you lol. If I was watching those sad movies and got teary eyed or cried, I couldn't actually know how that would have felt because I've never been in that situation but somehow, it still feels sad on a personal level, like a heart throbbing kind of sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Lights View Post
    @ai: Also compare my post in your forum, here.

    The thing is this: Certainly either of those things is "wrong". But "right" and "wrong" are entirely abstract to me. It's nothing concrete, nothing tangible -- it's a concept I can treat intellectually, an issue I have an opinion on, but that's it. In particular, "it's wrong" isn't what is stopping me from doing anything. It couldn't, not if it's that abstract. What is stopping me e.g. from your example is that it doesn't make sense. It's incomprehensibly irrational. And that is my indictment -- and from my perspective, it equals your "it's wrong", in bite and meaning. It certainly possesses the same conviction, the same quality of just knowing this is the case.


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    Interesting how you described it - my istp partner tends to view matters in a sense on whether or not its rational as well , often time we agree on the same thing however his thought process of getting to that point differs from mine.
    Anyhow- my response was on how fi works- since you mentioned that you lack having it - I think everyone can use a function if talked about it.
    Fi for me works this way - my feelings/thought process/reflection derives from within and it runs like a systematic map interlace with logic and ethic nonstop- I can pin point my emotions and know where it derives from and control it , i don't have any problems with controlling my emotions- it's on my will on whether i choose to express it or not. I notice with low fe it's the opposite( or at least from what I've observed from those with inferior fe) they could care less about showing how they feel or expressing their feelings - it's their thoughts that is kept within- which lead me to asking the next question( I hope I'm not offending you bc this pertains to my extreme curiosity )

    If you were to save a train full of unknown people vs 5 of the people you care for most in this world - which option would you choose and what's the explanation behind that

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    Quote Originally Posted by ai.tran.75 View Post
    ( I hope I'm not offending you bc this pertains to my extreme curiosity )
    You hope you don't, but in any case you'd never not ask <3

    Nah. Offending me works better with talking bullshit and assuming I believe it. You're right though, I wouldn't answer this in person. Praise the internet and its anonymous closeness.

    Quote Originally Posted by ai.tran.75 View Post
    If you were to save a train full of unknown people vs 5 of the people you care for most in this world - which option would you choose and what's the explanation behind that
    You hit on the one dilemma that isn't a dilemma for me. I'm selfish, and I'm fine with that. (As opposed to many people, who are still selfish, but beat themselves up about it ... perfectly pointless.) So this isn't even a question I have to think about -- it's the five people. And I very much suspect I wouldn't have any trouble living with that decision.

    You can make it arbitrarily complicated, of course. What if I have a duty to the train in some capacity, or what if it wasn't a train, but a city, or not a city, but the entire world ... eh. I guess at that point, I'd take the entire world, simply because I don't care about being the last persons on earth. But my five people are worth a lot of random people, in any case.
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    I think the ambiguity of interpreting emotion from behavior for ITPs stem from the unintegrated Fe. This creates a Jekyll/Hyde or hot/cold dynamic where a somewhat autonomous complex can manifest through the inferior to temporarily wrest away control from the differentiated ego with regards to interpersonal relationships. e.g. I can show interpersonal warmth / interest in you one day and neglect you the next if I caught feelings for you as the ego wars it out with the anima/animus. To the observer, such behavior is inconsistent and the relationship unstable; a differentiated Fe will instead channel emotions into the behaviours afforded by varied social roles that could be inhabited. e.g. mentor-mentee, colleague, acquiescence, friend have different boundaries for emotional expression.

  9. #38

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Lights View Post
    You hope you don't, but in any case you'd never not ask <3

    Nah. Offending me works better with talking bullshit and assuming I believe it. You're right though, I wouldn't answer this in person. Praise the internet and its anonymous closeness.


    You hit on the one dilemma that isn't a dilemma for me. I'm selfish, and I'm fine with that. (As opposed to many people, who are still selfish, but beat themselves up about it ... perfectly pointless.) So this isn't even a question I have to think about -- it's the five people. And I very much suspect I wouldn't have any trouble living with that decision.

    You can make it arbitrarily complicated, of course. What if I have a duty to the train in some capacity, or what if it wasn't a train, but a city, or not a city, but the entire world ... eh. I guess at that point, I'd take the entire world, simply because I don't care about being the last persons on earth. But my five people are worth a lot of random people, in any case.

    ° no it's not much of a dilemma here for me either - or at all to be frank and I didn't ask you this question in terms of thinking that it would put you in any sort of dilemma
    I had a feeling you would pick the 5 people and likewise my answer is similar to yours

    " But my five people are worth a lot of random people, in any case"

    Only difference between us is that I don't find my action selfish for saving the 5 people that I'm closest with over a group of people that I don't know- because the group of stranger brings no meanings to me , I wouldn't feel any regrets for my decision either ( that's fi subjectivity for you) :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Lights View Post
    You hit on the one dilemma that isn't a dilemma for me. I'm selfish, and I'm fine with that. So this isn't even a question I have to think about -- it's the five people. And I very much suspect I wouldn't have any trouble living with that decision.
    And if the train will kill either yourself or the five you care about the most?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ai.tran.75 View Post
    Only difference between us is that I don't find my action selfish for saving the 5 people that I'm closest with over a group of people that I don't know- because the group of stranger brings no meanings to me , I wouldn't feel any regrets for my decision either ( that's fi subjectivity for you) :)
    Hah, indeed it is -- as the "selfish" judgement was made from the POV of everyone else. I'm assuming people would consider it that, and by that token agreed. Thinking about this subjectively doesn't make much sense to me, but then again, that's what you'd expect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liove View Post
    And if the train will kill either yourself or the five you care about the most?
    Hmm ... tough. Do you have an answer ready?

    Simplify it: Trade your life for your partner's? Presumably, the appreciation is bi-directional. I think it'd be only fair to discuss it, if at all possible. Respect seems to demand this. I wouldn't want people randomly sacrificing themselves for me, anyway. It's easier with children, I suppose; the years-left-to-live thing is a compelling argument.

    So ... yeah. Lots of individual cases so that I don't think there is a one-size-fits-all answer, here. Nice one :)
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