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    ISTP - The Mechanics

    Do you care about conspiracy theories?

    I find some people want to talk to me about all these different theories or I hear people talking about them.

    I personally don't care about conspiracy theories as I feel you don't really get to the point. The person can't exactly prove that they are right by what they are saying . There's so many different conspiracies out there. Some are about the past and I just think it happened in the past can we just forget about it instead of bring up these different possible theories.
    I choose to just ignore all of them as they just end up confusing me and I'm not into debating I find it draining.

    When someone tries to talk to me about them I usually just say things like I don't really know or just try and change the topic.
    I may occasionally read a few but I don't get to tied up into any of it as it's just out of curiousity .

    Do you care about conspiracy theories? Just want to see if other ISTPs are like this too.

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    ISTP - The Mechanics

    Quick future readers ignore the above post it's obviously the government trying to distract us from their plans to take away our guns so they can turn us into homosexual nazis from the future.

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    ^ LOL

    No I don't care about them in the slightest.
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    The truth about many subjects is actually often, very difficult to find, sometimes impossible, because most events in history have very few or no primary sources that it ends up getting changed slightly by every re-telling until it becomes a complete lie. This is why "conspiracy theories" exist, because they tell another truth, what the majority believe is usually called the "truth", but most "truths" don't have enough evidence to actually support them, they're generally believed because they're perceived to be the more likely truth. A conspiracy theory is simply another re-telling of the same events.

    I'll use American history, as taught by public American schools, as an example: If you live in America and you went to public schools here, you should consider pretty much everything you learned in history class to be false, it's as simple as that. Some events are altered slightly for whatever reason (Political, ignorance, pride, misinterpretation, convenience, etc.), but some are so misconstrued that they might as well be considered fairy tales.

    • The European settlers in America didn't defeat the Natives, 90+ percent died by the plague through no intention of Europeans, all before the pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock.
    • The Native Americans weren't anywhere near as primitive as they're portrayed to be, and therefore the pilgrims didn't actually "settle" America, so much as just, moved in.
    • Columbus was a joke, his entire existence was clouded with lies, most likely nothing you read about him in any text book is reality.
    • Vikings are largely believed by true historians to be the first Europeans to discover America, they had their asses handed to them by the natives, so they promptly left and probably didn't come back.
    • A majority of European settlers actually envied the natives for the way they lived and many often left their settlements to join them. Even Ben Franklin believed and wrote that the native culture provided more opportunities to live a free and happy life than any European cultures he had ever known could.

    The above is just a small example of the lies told in history books, ask any true historian who learned history at a University level and they'll tell you that most, if not all history text books are big useless books of lies. The people who wrote the history books didn't want this sort of thing to be widely known, so they ignored it, and often changed reality to suit their own agenda. If you only read these text books and knew nothing else, and some person you never met before who you had no reason to trust, told you a completely different story, you would think it's a "conspiracy theory", even though, somewhere out there, there are facts and primary sources that prove that person right, despite the countless text books claiming otherwise.

    So, why believe the same as what most do? Most people are frankly not that bright and don't question what they're told because despite the fact that almost every single person is born very curious, that curiosity is practically beaten out of them by the time they're in school by our society. The fact that so many people choose not to believe in "conspiracy theories", or question supposed "facts" is the exact reason why history text books are so full of lies.

    There are so many things that people will tell you to be true without any evidence, that your first instinct should be to question them, no matter how trustworthy they seem. Many things are actually impossible to know for certain either way, yet most believe the world is a certain way, when in reality no one actually knows what the hell is going on half of the time since it's impossible. Most things are unexplained and they'll probably remain that way for a long time. Most of perceived reality is based on entropically estimated occurrences, this can be used to estimate most things and just means; what's most likely to happen, but not what actually happened.

    Think of being at a beach, filling a bucket full of wet sand, and dumping it out onto the ground. What would happen? You don't really know exactly, but most would be sure that the sand would simply fall out of the bucket and land on the ground in a pile of sand, yet physics tells us that it's actually possible for that sand to land in such a way that it builds a sand castle on it's own (or any shape), it's highly unlikely, but it's not actually physically impossible, not only that, but if this procedure was attempted enough times, what we know of physics tells us that it would actually have to happen eventually. So, even what's most likely, isn't always what is.
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    ISTP - The Mechanics

    The truth is always simple. If a theory is too complicated and long-winded I don't buy it, and I don't really listen past the first few sentences.

    Generally, no, I'm not remotely interested in conspiracy theories, because they involve a "they're out to get us" paranoia and it's just that: paranoia. Most people who are "out to get us" are not hidden away somewhere pulling strings, they're doing what they're doing in broad daylight and have little or no shame about it, and they're not even "out to get us", they're simply seeking their own interests, i.e. trying to make money off of us and our weakness: greedy capitalists, porn producers, etc.

    Sometimes, though, you hear a different perspective on a known situation, and it's so simple and makes so much more sense than anything else, and maybe it even turns out to be true. I love it when that happens.
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    I'm willing to entertain the possibility for discussion, but it really depends on the theory in and of itself.

    Things like "the government staged a shooting for gun control" or "911 was an inside job" are hilarious though.

    Sometimes I think people just see the increasing consequences of these issues (eg, stricter laws/reduced freedoms) and look for someone nice and convenient to blame it on.
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    i was only bothered with 911 was an inside job and how the story of ian fleming's james bond is about hitler running from berlin :3

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    Conspiracy theories =/= truth.
    Conspiracy theories = (crazy baseless speculations)paranoid^bullshit

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    ISTP - The Mechanics

    Nope, but I know some people who are really into conspiracy theories, and they're very paranoid.

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    ISTP - The Mechanics

    < Read the name.

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