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This is a discussion on Ask an ISTP within the ISTP Forum - The Mechanics forums, part of the SP's Temperament Forum- The Creators category; Originally Posted by zynthaxx Nope, that's just a regular douchebag. You get those in all personality types... I don't know ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zynthaxx View Post
    Nope, that's just a regular douchebag. You get those in all personality types...
    I don't know if your answer settles me in any way.

    I know you get all sorts of behaviour with all types, in varying degrees. But another person with whom I have communicated said that their ex-ISTP was a liar. Wondering if there was a pattern, based on two people discussed in cyberspace... lol

    ok, thanks

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    @Despotic Ocelot everything in my brain has been tightened at an incorrect torque setting. Perhaps this is why I am wound so tight.

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    To ISTPs: How do you relate to INTPs? Can you say what is or are the difficulties you have in relating to them?

    As an aid, INTP = Ti Ne Si Fe while ISTP = Ti Se Ni Fe but you don't have to go by that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp10 View Post
    I don't know if your answer settles me in any way.

    I know you get all sorts of behaviour with all types, in varying degrees. But another person with whom I have communicated said that their ex-ISTP was a liar. Wondering if there was a pattern, based on two people discussed in cyberspace... lol

    ok, thanks
    No, it’s just a matter of personal values. I’m personally strongly opposed to lying, and will rather take any consequences of fuckups up-front than having them fester for potential later discovery; and that’s what I expect from others too. When reading these forums I get the feeling this is a pretty common stance among ISTPs. Naturally you get those who have found other ways of tackling life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigApplePi View Post
    To ISTPs: How do you relate to INTPs? Can you say what is or are the difficulties you have in relating to them?

    As an aid, INTP = Ti Ne Si Fe while ISTP = Ti Se Ni Fe but you don't have to go by that.
    Often pretty well in professional settings. Some “suffer” from a level of cautiousness that feels inefficient even to me, and I’m pretty risk aware. I don’t know if it’s concretely type related, but it fits with the Ne-Si/Se-Ni split. So does the apparent difference in how we approach information gathering and how we arrive at conclusions. As I said: in a professional setting it’s often a good thing to approach a problem from slightly different angles, but it sometimes causes friction in a private setting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp10 View Post
    Hello ISTPs,

    Just wondering if it is a common trait to lie to your "loved" ones to cover up for something you fucked up, or something that you will likely fuck up in the future, probably intentionally at that.
    What zynthaxx said -- never for actual fuck-ups. I own my messes. Though I will add that you will hear anything I can image if you're just some random person I want off my back. If some fictional answer does that faster, that's what you will get.

    @BigApplePi : Very well. You have more endurance in discussions than I do, that's about it, online. In every day life it's no issue at all, and working together is very smooth and comfortable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Lights View Post
    @BigApplePi : Very well. You have more endurance in discussions than I do, that's about it, online. In every day life it's no issue at all, and working together is very smooth and comfortable.
    It's that auxiliary function that is vastly different. If an ISTP sticks to concrete sources (Se), the INTP can be open all over the place (Ne), so there is more to have endurance about.



    Quote Originally Posted by zynthaxx View Post
    Often pretty well in professional settings. Some “suffer” from a level of cautiousness that feels inefficient even to me, and I’m pretty risk aware. I don’t know if it’s concretely type related, but it fits with the Ne-Si/Se-Ni split. So does the apparent difference in how we approach information gathering and how we arrive at conclusions. As I said: in a professional setting it’s often a good thing to approach a problem from slightly different angles, but it sometimes causes friction in a private setting.
    I agree. However I'm looking for how an ISTP and INTP might conflict since Se differs from Ne. I admit this is a rare occurrence, but I have encountered a couple of ISTPs where they insist on something is true where I want to go beyond to other possibilities. When I go outside what they have mind, they have put me down personally. When that happens, I tend to ignore it outwardly but it bothers me inwardly. So we don't get along. I guess I want to ask, can ISTPs be overly rigid in their attitudes? Or is their attitude toward me legitimate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigApplePi View Post
    I have encountered a couple of ISTPs where they insist on something is true where I want to go beyond to other possibilities. When I go outside what they have mind, they have put me down personally. When that happens, I tend to ignore it outwardly but it bothers me inwardly. So we don't get along. I guess I want to ask, can ISTPs be overly rigid in their attitudes? Or is their attitude toward me legitimate?
    To an ISTP, that's definitely legitimate, just like it probably isn't to an INTP. You've simply pointed out one of the friction points here.

    Where personality type descriptions say something like "ISTPs don't like theorizing", this is closer to what actually happens in an ISTP's mind: "Will I ever encounter a situation where these 'other possibilities' are relevant?" If that's unlikely enough, an ISTP will probably become first frustrated and then exasperated at the entire thought experiment.

    A good way to get along with an ISTP isn't to avoid thought experiments, but to stick to the low-hanging fruit until that's out of the way: Sure: There is a chance that all individual molecules that make up a kid decide to break apart, move 20 cm to the left of that barrier you're setting up and then reassemble, making the child fall twenty stories to its death, but based on what's most likely to happen, it would perhaps be more relevant to start out making sure it's hard to climb over the barrier than to make sure it protects against spontaneous teleportation events. If we've got enough time left after that, we can start thinking about less common problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigApplePi View Post
    To ISTPs: How do you relate to INTPs? Can you say what is or are the difficulties you have in relating to them?

    As an aid, INTP = Ti Ne Si Fe while ISTP = Ti Se Ni Fe but you don't have to go by that.
    The INTPs I've known tend to be more fuzzy ideas rather than crisp details. We get along very well but see the world from a different angle. Biggest difficulty has been that I live in a very physical/3D space and they're more theoretical so sometimes it's hard to translate between.
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    ISTP - The Mechanics

    Quote Originally Posted by zynthaxx View Post
    To an ISTP, that's definitely legitimate, just like it probably isn't to an INTP. You've simply pointed out one of the friction points here.

    Where personality type descriptions say something like "ISTPs don't like theorizing", this is closer to what actually happens in an ISTP's mind: "Will I ever encounter a situation where these 'other possibilities' are relevant?" If that's unlikely enough, an ISTP will probably become first frustrated and then exasperated at the entire thought experiment.

    A good way to get along with an ISTP isn't to avoid thought experiments, but to stick to the low-hanging fruit until that's out of the way: Sure: There is a chance that all individual molecules that make up a kid decide to break apart, move 20 cm to the left of that barrier you're setting up and then reassemble, making the child fall twenty stories to its death, but based on what's most likely to happen, it would perhaps be more relevant to start out making sure it's hard to climb over the barrier than to make sure it protects against spontaneous teleportation events. If we've got enough time left after that, we can start thinking about less common problems.
    The short answer is: We're lazy, we don't wanna die, and we wanna do stuff. *shrug*
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