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This is a discussion on Dragon Archetype within the Jungian Theory forums, part of the Other Personality Theories category; There are good and bad dragons. In the Orient, the dragon symbolizes supernatural power, wisdom, knowledge and strength . However ...

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    There are good and bad dragons. In the Orient, the dragon symbolizes supernatural power, wisdom, knowledge and strength.

    However because it is a snake the dragon is a symbol of evil, in both the chivalric and Christian traditions.

    In most traditions, it is the embodiment of chaos and untamed nature. In barbaric traditions such as in the west they often kill dragons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catandroid View Post
    However because it is a snake the dragon is a symbol of evil, in both the chivalric and Christian traditions.

    In most traditions, it is the embodiment of chaos and untamed nature. In barbaric traditions such as in the west they often kill dragons.
    It can also represent "order" in the form of "tyranny," hence the term "draconian." This is in keeping with the "power" aspect. Chaos is good because it sets us free. Order is evil because it oppresses us. Keep in mind, this is coming from a Lawful Good Sage.

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    Draconian comes from Draco's code as per Merriam Webster dictionary:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/draconian

    Draco was a legislator in Greece (7th century BCE):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draco_(lawgiver)

    My fourth favourite animal IS the dragon..
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    @Catandroid The name Draco means "dragon."
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    Yes and there is also Draco the Dragon

    Last edited by Catandroid; 06-20-2019 at 06:51 AM.
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    "Dracula" means "Son of the Dragon."
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    What about a Sandman?
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    Kundalini

    Primal, sexual, energy. Your lifeforce. The 'fire' in your life. The energy of creation.

    Of course Western religions wanted nothing to do with this (Sex/lust? Empowerment? Power of creation? HECK NO!) thus they say one should 'slay the dragon' like Saint Michael does.

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    Huh. I didn't even think about animals being archetypes.

    Imo dragon is symbolic of transformation, like all reptiles. It is symbolic of death and resurrection.

    (this story of Medea is from memory and so take with a grain of salt.)
    The character Medea (from ancient Greek tragedies) came from an island where a giant reptile lived (I think). The creature could create armies with its own teeth (or planting a tooth would spring to life a soldier--maybe a soldier it'd eaten?).

    Medea was associated with a ritual that claimed to 'bring people to life' but in some versions it killed them. I think that's part of the snake/reptile archetype.

    The dragon can fly though, so I guess maybe that'd be associated with the intellect and with the ability to find new ways of thinking. It also came from an island, so I guess maybe isolation.

    Medea is famous for killing her children to punish her cheating husband? She was a foreigner who left her island with her husband...but she was regarded with suspicion. But turns out she was descended from the sun god Helios, and so he granted her a flying chariot to escape, after she punished Jason.

    Anyway--I think dragons can be frightening to people, but it's very similar to a snake. They were called 'worms' a lot, which basically meant snake. So they were like flying snakes.

    (I guess I see snakes as sort of phallic, and so maybe it's not 'feminine' idk--maybe like Kundalini like yippy said above--could be like both masculine/feminine idk)

    In China they are extremely powerful and considered good luck, I believe. I think they have the capacity to give life, to take it away, and also to reincarnate. They are tied to the feminine in that way, and they are feared for that power.

    We, I guess, would prefer them to give life (even to give life to what was once gone), and they can, but it's painful and frightening. I believe the later Greeks and Romans were trying to smear Medea, and she was actually a goddess of reincarnation/transformation, but that's totally unfounded and just speculation. I just think she was threatening to patriarchal society, which is why she was changed from a transformative and powerful goddess (maybe?) to a murderess (and a baby killer) for political reasons.

    Hm...Sandman? I want to say that's an English folk tale? Idk--I know Neil Gaiman made a comic book about the sandman. I would associate it with sleep...so dreams. I would associate it with Morpheus or maybe Orpheus. There are creatures called Oneiroi, who are personifications of dreams, and Morpheus is the leader. https://www.theoi.com/Daimon/Oneiroi.html

    I would associate Sandman with opiates too--like opium poppies.

    These are just my first thoughts--I haven't thought about dragons very much, but makes me think of Game of Thrones, and I wonder how that would work with what I said about Medea. It seems like there are parallels.
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    I guess dragons were considered evil in European Christian mythology? The hero had to go kill the dragon.

    I was just reminded of that because I once had a dream of part of my animus, I think, and it was a veteran who was sort of 'shell shocked' because he 'hunted monsters.' Like it was his job to live on the edge of the conscious/unconscious and fight the monsters, and he did it all to save the maiden sort of thing, but in doing so he became sort of wild himself, and frightened, and unloved.

    I never dreamed about any dragons, but the shadow and it could change shape into different animals, but it mirrored me. I'm not sure if that's what he was fighting...probably.

    I also used to dream of snakes a lot, and I always got the sense they were almost phallic--maybe they symbolized power. Like I dreamed once of a tiny little snake, which I think I felt a little bit of anxiety that my snake wasn't bigger! Like penis envy only snake envy. Maybe associated with power in some way. It was practically a legless lizard (that was when I started puberty--I was just a kid when I dreamed about that small snake...so maybe it was associated with sexuality or kundalini since I was just entering pubescence and so just starting to mature in that way?)
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