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This is a discussion on Jung's Model of the Psyche within the Jungian Theory forums, part of the Other Personality Theories category; Many of you are probably familiar with the image below, which is Jung's model of the Psyche. In it, we ...

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    Jung's Model of the Psyche

    Many of you are probably familiar with the image below, which is Jung's model of the Psyche. In it, we see the conscious and the unconscious mind, both collective and personal.

    What I am wondering is, if this is a map, where would the Collective Unconscious exist on that map? This is probably a particularly abstract and maybe, to some, ridiculous question. I'm just wondering if anyone has any ideas about the actual location of the collective unconscious.

    Similarly, I could ask: Where is your unconscious mind located? Where is your conscious mind located? And the answer would be similar. Just wondering if anyone has any answers. It's obviously a theoretical question and not meant to be taken too seriously.

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    The most I can say is that it should be within the unconscious. I've never been able to make sense of all the overlapping stuff in the middle.

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    I have no idea about this image. I've seen it but idk what it is.

    But wouldn't the collective unconscious exist around the anima/animus part of the shadow (as well as the shadow)? I see the words 'collective' in one corner, and 'unconscious' in the other, so I assume they are together right about that whole realm of shadow and anima/animus.

    I think this also makes some sense with my understanding of Jung's ideas, that the collective unconscious can be seen in dreams as archetypes, something that can be seen in shadows or anima/animus images.

    It seems like the inner circle of the self reflects what you identify with, whereas the collective unconscious would exist as the 'other' or outside world to you.

    I guess the 'personal unconscious' would be more like your shadow that you don't identify personally.

    The 'collective unconscious' might be more like what society doesn't identify as you, or with, in general--so like the anima/animus goes there because that also ties into gender ideas (a woman would have the 'masculine' qualities as part of her collective unconscious?). Stuff that's more of a relationship between the outside world, society, and what it doesn't identify you with (or identify with normality or something idk).

    But there were kind of weird ideas about the anima/animus and what if it 'took possession' of the person. I think these are kind of dated and silly--from fears of people violating gender norms, but I still think it's interesting that gender is something that is both 'personal' but also collective, in how it is recognized and ascribed to us by others. So I guess the collective unconscious would be what we don't accept about gender as a society, in a way. It would be what violates those rules we consciously agree to.

    Idk. I don't really understand the question or the image.

    But what exists outside of the self, but is unconscious, is collective unconscious (so like the lower half's outer ring.) Stuff that you dont identify with much at all, that you identify as other, that you find outside of yourself.


    Edit: oh I didn't even notice the words outside of the circle. So it's the outer ring of the inner world. It makes sense as the persona is what you present to the outside world (collective consciousness I guess). Then the anima/animus would be the personification of everything outside of yourself, but it is still something that lives inside you--it is still a creature of the inner world. So collective unconscious is everything that exists inside of you that you associate with the outside world (or maybe came from there?) but you do not identify with?

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    To have a location, you must have time and material. The collective unconscious has neither, it's a pure form of creative energy. Close your eyes, imagine some 'stuff' and, keep imagining...

    You'll fall, through layers of awareness, and if you are lucky you'll be able to identify the state between 'the states' of thought, feeling, being...meditation allows you to familiarize and occupy this more...

    Collective unconscious is where 'you' end and the 'all' begins.

    It's not likely to show up in some model, symbol or archetype that easily resonates with the conscious mind

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    That should be the lower part of the figure, including part of the personal unconscious, part of the Self, the shadow, animus/anima.
    I finally got this understanding after last night dream for info, in trying explaining to myself via a schema the "cartography" of this dream, I ended up with a very (very !) simplified version of this model.
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    The collective unconscious permeates all of it, as well as existing outside of it (as you can see in the image). And by existing outside of it, literally rooted in nature. Jung talks a lot about primitive cultures and how they essentially existed as one with the collective unconscious which, for one, made for a lot of superstitious and ancient ritualistic behaviours. Primitives could not separate themselves from the nature occurring around them. We still hold remnants of this, while being more differentiated and developing a more solid personal psychic sphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aletheia View Post
    The collective unconscious permeates all of it, as well as existing outside of it (as you can see in the image). And by existing outside of it, literally rooted in nature. Jung talks a lot about primitive cultures and how they essentially existed as one with the collective unconscious which, for one, made for a lot of superstitious and ancient ritualistic behaviours. Primitives could not separate themselves from the nature occurring around them. We still hold remnants of this, while being more differentiated and developing a more solid personal psychic sphere.
    Nice! You have no idea how nice it is to meet someone else who has actually read Jung beyond Psychological Types. I have dedicated a lot of time into studying different cultures throughout pre-history and reading their myth, legend, and fairy stories. It's a great place to hunt for archetypes and the collective unconscious.
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    It should be all-encompassing. It sort of provides the "habitat" for the individual personality to grow and thrive in. (hopefully)
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    For the ones replying that the collective unconscious is in all in this schema, what do you mean ?

    By being both collective and unconscious shouldn't collective inconcious be a limited concept by nature? In the sense that it have a boundary with its dual concept aka the collective consciousness. That what seems to be shown on the OP schema.

    The "whole" seems to be the psyche.


     

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