SJ - Joe Biden
SJ - Donald Trump
SJ - Unsure / No preference
SP - Joe Biden
SP - Donald Trump
SP - Unsure / No preference
NT - Joe Biden
NT - Donald Trump
NT - Unsure / No preference
NF - Joe BIden
NF - Donald Trump
NF - Unsure / No preference
This is a discussion on Joe Biden vs Donald Trump within the Member Polls forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; Originally Posted by Surreal Snake They'd make a good couple. Two super narcissists I think narcissism is an essential component ...
Now that Trump is being impeached I could say Biden, but I don't think either one of them are good. Trump is openly bad, Uncle Joe is secretly bad (hilarious that his "affectionate" title is Uncle....anyway...).
Objectively I don't like anyone except Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard. Actually Tulsi Gabbard is the only politician I morally align with - she's vegan, a veteran, she understands real life but still has morals - but I don't expect her to get elected, which is why I still love Bernie. I almost want to say "settle for" Bernie because although he was more than enough for me in 2016, I don't like the fact that he didn't stand up for the environment at or after the Steak Fry. The Steak Fry was a damning and ridiculous act of hypocrisy on the part of the Democrats, even though they offered veggie burgers and yams, most of them ate red meat. Cory Booker openly approached the veggie burger grill, but he's backed away from every opportunity to talk about how meat relates to climate change, because he's afraid people won't vote for him. He stumbles on the tired "factory farms" narrative that all vegan Uncle Toms revert to under pressure (I do it myself, please don't eat factory farmed products, please just not that) ....but he's missed opportunities to talk about how even grassfed cattle harm the environment. Because he's afraid of being the Catholic, Mormon, weirdo in the race. I can't really blame him, also being Black, but I find it hard to forgive him because he's such a disgusting Centrist.
So yeah I guess I'm saying no Cory Booker for me even though eating veggie burger at Steak Fry, because overall, I only think Tulsi Gabbard is the best person, but Bernie Sanders is the closest to my morals and likely to get elected by the populist vote.
Fuck you, Uncle Joe.
If I have to choose between the two I'd still vote Trump over Biden because it's a fact that Biden's son has some direct business ties with the CCP, therefore making it more likely that Biden's going to be soft on the CCP. Trump has not been hard enough on the CCP as he's a businessman at heart, if I were him I would not give AF about the trade deal and do everything I can to counter the CCP militarily, politically, and economically. US is not an angel but it's the lesser of two monsters when compared to the CCP and if I had to choose which country to remain the superpower in the world I'd much prefer America over the CCP. The CCP has got no regard for fundamental political, civil, and social freedoms, not only is it a threat to my people but it actively seeks to export its system to the world, a system that stands against democracy and liberty.
If the monumental task of bringing down the CCP can be achieved, I believe we would have much more confidence bringing down other authoritarian regimes including Kim, Putin, Iran, Syria, Cuba, Laos, Turkey etc. I even hope that one day the Middle East will have its monarchies removed and replaced by electoral democracies but for now I know the US won't do anything because Turkey's a key ally and the Gulf states, well, oil.
I am not a fan of US foreign policy, but for a country of its power and influence, I believe the US has been a relatively idealistic regime (in terms of some principles) that, while having committed its fair share of atrocities, is still relatively benign when compared to other superpowers in world history. Had it not been for US involvement, the world could have turned out far worse at critical junctures such as World War 2. Like, would anyone really want to live under Nazi or imperial Japanese domination? Sure the Soviets were by far the largest force holding back Hitler in Europe and Russia suffered greatly for it, but the US was by far the most technologically innovative in the mid-to-late stages of the war when it comes to the technologies that played a decisive role.
I long to see a democratic China that can really uphold Sun's Three Principles of the People, so I'd naturally be against any force in the world that supports or tries to appease the CCP. We're seeing media outlets across the world censor themselves due to the wishes of the CCP / because they're afraid of offending the CCP. I'm Han but I feel very sorry for the cultural genocide being conducted against Uyghurs and Tibetans (in the former it's not just the Muslim extremists, the CCP can find just about anyone or anything "unacceptable", and since mainland China has no rule of law and the Party is above everything, they are unstoppable if you get on the wrong side), not just them, but a subtle war is being waged against Cantonese language and culture.
Add to that forced demolitions, human organ harvesting, the soon-to-be widely implemented Social Credit System, how the CCP already possesses some of the world's most advanced technologies in the areas of surveillance and population control but mainlanders are either too brainwashed (and therefore support it), too apathetic, or too afraid to speak out and generate resistance, the Cultural Revolution (one of the worse things to happen to mankind), 1989, the current events in Hong Kong etc.
Mister / Mrs. President, I may not agree with everything your country says and does, but please do a favor for the world: GO TOUGH ON THE CCP! We cannot afford to wait and let the CCP become the most powerful in the world. If there's got to be a "world policeman" I'd rather have America than the CCP.
Some ultra-liberal types believe any regime, just about anything that opposes the US must be good and just. Classic "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" way of thinking. What they don't realize is the enemy of the enemy may very well be a far more dangerous enemy. A CCP (note, CCP, I do not conflate CCP with China or the Chinese people / culture, though that's what many of my fellow mainlanders believe due to decades of brainwashing) and Russian dominated world would be far more scary. Anyone who actually says they support these sick regimes, who believe they're willing to give up fundamental freedoms (even little, everyday things) for greater protection and security have obviously never lived under an authoritarian regime.
Before debating all of these social issues (which of course matter), I'd like to bring the focus to some of the broader issues we face in the world today. Not saying these social causes don't matter, but in the grand view of things we've got more important values to defend against the forces that want to undermine or even destroy these values in favor of their far less desirable values. We have to look and play big, and realize what's at stake. Once these bigger geopolitical issues are tackled, then we can slowly make progress in these social issues.
As a non-American / non-Westerner, I feel that these days the youth in America and other Western countries have lost sight of the things that really matter. Many living in Western countries have the time, and the freedom to debate over many of these social issues because as flawed as democracy might be, it's still the best compared to any of its less democratic alternatives and with refinement, is and will remain the best system that's realistically achievable when it comes to managing at least somewhat sizable populations. Many people from other countries (such as mine) have no freedom whatsoever to even bring up a somewhat different voice, much less CAMPAIGN and DEMAND these views and preferences to have a foothold in the country and society.
You're a bunch of lucky bastards (I don't mean to offend / insult, but to praise) compared to some of your peers living in non-Western countries, it would be wise for you to cherish these freedoms and realize that despite your differences that often make you argumentative, it's because of some basic democratic foundations that make it possible for you all to raise your voices and differences in the first place. You have separation of government and party, we don't. You have the separation of powers, we don't. You have an independent judiciary and legislative branch, we don't. You can vote at the national level, we can't. If you own a piece of property then it's yours unless you decide to sell it, we technically never "own" our property, we just lease it for 70 years because CCP said so and we have no guarantee as to what happens to it once the lease reaches the 70th year. And the CCP can just come in and take property whenever they want to support a real estate tycoon in the area, they won't hesitate to resort to thugs and blackmail if they deem necessary.
Wake up! Instead of engaging in SJW activities all the time, a piece of wisdom would be that despite all the injustices there might be in your society / societies, you have far more freedoms that some other countries' inhabitants can only dream of! There are causes on a global scale FAR more worthy of concern and reflection, once that's taken care of you there's going to be time to take care of these other concerns.
I often see that this group or that group are fighting against the injustices perpetrated against them in society, it's usually this or that particular group of people. I feel for some of them and not for others, but at the same time there are entire groups of people in other parts of the world who are fighting just to establish or to preserve their most basic rights and freedoms from oppressive governments and it's an ongoing fight for them. Do you think being a Christian under the CCP or the Kim regime is more or less the same experience as being a Christian in the States? So many of the freedoms the Western world (and non-Western countries that are democratic) believe and seemingly take for granted are out-of-reach luxuries for other peoples in the world.
You may care about issues affecting gender rights, animals, the environment etc. Sure, progress needs to be made in all of these areas and more. However, I'd urge more attention to be paid to a much larger struggle with an inconvenient truth: The struggle of freedom and democracy versus authoritarianism. That if given enough time and opportunity, these authoritarian regimes may well surpass us in power and influence. What kind of world would humanity ultimately want to live in? I'd pick a liberal democratic world order any day.
Just try living a life being effectively shut out from the world internet and having to gain access to a lot of information using a VPN, which is often unreliable and is constantly under attack.
Regardless of whether you're S or N, regardless of your Enneagram type or Socionics type or whatever, I think we can all agree that there are fundamental rights and freedoms that all should be defending.
Last edited by WraithOfNightmare; 09-26-2019 at 07:55 AM.
I love it when you love each other. I love it when you love redneck liberals, whoever that is. Looks fit and unwittingly similar in views and attitudes.
Last edited by contradictionary; 09-30-2019 at 09:57 PM.
Bump. I voted Trump.