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Are you, or is anyone you know vegan?

Are you, or is anyone you know vegan?

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#1 ·
Also: Do views of veganism differ by type? Why?

This research is independent of school or work projects... I just get immersed in these kinds of things.
 
#6 ·
One of my fiance's friends is vegan (he's a 2w3 ENFJ if you're curious). To be honest he reminds me a little of a religious fanatic in that he is always trying to convert people to veganism and you can tell he's silently judging every time someone eats meat. It rubs me the wrong way a little bit but other than that he's a cool guy.

I'm not vegan or vegetarian, but I try to limit my meat consumption and I only buy organic free-range eggs and dairy (Stonyfield Farms is awesome). I also only buy cheese that uses non-animal enzymes. I wish that I could find organic free-range meat in my area, but since I haven't yet and because I feel weak if I go more than two weeks without eating meat, I just buy regular meat for now. However I only rarely cook meat at home, partially for this reason.
 
#8 ·
Surprisingly, l only know about 3 and a few ex-vegan now vegetarian. l'll even guess the vegans personality types for you-the female seems ISFP, her husband honestly seems ISFP too. The other is a male ESFP.

Please ask me how many vegetarians l know.Because the answer is, like, 30.

l don't care what people eat, the husband and wife l am related to and we've only had Vegan food when attending holiday festivities at their home. Not ideal, l guess, but l don't go everywhere looking for a steak. l am a fully grown, adult **** sapien, not a growing hyena.
 
#9 ·
I don't actually know any vegans. Or vegetarians. If I do, they're doing a good job hiding it.

I'm not vegan or vegetarian. I eat things because they taste good, and to me, meat, eggs and so on often tastes good. I'd rather make the circumstances better by creating new solutions to make food production better/safer for animals and employees, instead of just stop eating something. I won't sacrifice anything if it's not necessary. I can understand reasons why people would choose to be vegans or vegetarians. I mean, you've got everything from health to morals to personal taste. I don't judge, but it's not for me.
 
#10 ·
ENFP
I know a couple of vegans. I myself eat meat still, but I feel like I could seriously get behind going pescetarian or vegetarian for ethical reasons; once you open up the door to "do no harm", it becomes difficult to close it again. At the very least, I think we should be treating our fellow animals with respect -- no torture or inhumane living conditions.
 
#11 ·
I've known a couple of vegans but never got very close to them.

I have no desire to try veganism or vegetarianism of any sort.
 
#12 · (Edited)
No one has a desire to try veganism (unless they have some kind of health concern). People go vegan because of conscience and responsibility, not desire. Even if you only care about humans, you should still go vegan unless you want to see your future children suffer a horrible fate because of planetary destruction. Eating animals for human fuel is no different than using oil for machine fuel. It's wasteful, unsustainable and contributes massively to climate change. You are just imbecilic if you don't understand this. But atleast oil doesn't even cause torture and death. So even that's better...

I am just getting sick of having to explain this. It should be self-explanatory by now. What the hell are they teaching kids in school?

Vegan is not just giving a shit about animals (though if you don't give a shit about torture, I don't know but you might be a little bit crazy...), it's also about giving a shit about the environment and your own body. So people who are against veganism either do not give a shit about anything (nihilists and apaths), or have the IQ of a fish that they can't even see how the food they eat is related to any of this...
 
#13 ·
Not a vegan but I know people who are. Not sure of all their types but one is self-righteous (ISTP) and the others are fine. The funniest part is that the self-righteous one is doing it to maintain her weight and attractiveness but spits animal rights in defense when you mention this. The balance simply live their lives as vegans which I can respect. One, I had no idea was a vegan until she came over for dinner. Luckily, I had made plenty of veggies, salad and sweet potato oven fries.
 
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@Kelly Kapowski, he is a troll. Best just leave him alone.
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I am not vegan, nor do I know anyone in real life who is vegan. I do think that veganism does have a connection to personality, that being that feelers or people who tend to put emotion and compassion first are more likely to be vegans than thinkers(this based on my own observations of this site, specifically polls made in the past on this subject). I personally do not plan on being vegan anytime soon, since I do not believe it is a very good long term diet, and due to my severe nut allergy, getting my proper fix of protein would be hard on this diet. I, instead, prefer my grandmother(a former dietitian) advice on a proper healthy diet, being that you should simply work on eating things in proper proportions.
 
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#29 ·
I've never heard of anyone being protein deficient. If anything people eat too much protein. People have been sold the protein myth and the animal abuse industry is the result.
 
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#34 ·
I don't (personally) know anyone whose openly described themselves as vegan or alluded to it in any way. *shrugs* Maybe they just give me a wide berth when they see the blood dripping from my mouth.

No idea about veganism by type. Not a whole lot of data to work with as is.
 
#37 ·
I know a couple of people who have gone vegan. One has a smoker. He used to host block parties.

I've been a vegetarian about 25 years. I've been trying to make better choices than animal products. Man, cheese is so good. I know, I sound like a meat eater.
 
#38 ·
Very few people I know are vegan. One was my Graphics Design teacher who decided to go Vegan because of diet/health decisions, which is something I can understand. The other is one I've met through a mutual friend, who I haven't spoken to in a very long time, and would go on occasional rants on Facebook about it. I don't pay attention to it much (aside from her occasional anti-male feminist rants, which drive me insane, but that's an entirely different realm all together).

As long as they're not forcing their beliefs or lifestyle onto me, then I have no problems with it whatsoever, if that's what they want to do.
 
#39 ·
Why are vegans able to drawn the line at plants? Are they not also life? The fact of the matter is life consumes life, the only problem is the suffering involved in mass farming. But there is no other way to feed this many people.

Plant protein is scarce and the bio availability is low, not to mention mineral and vitamin deficiencies that have to be supplemented for much more so than with other diets, and where do you get fat from on a vegan diet?

Also eating meat doesn't cause heart disease.
 
#43 · (Edited)
Why are vegans able to drawn the line at plants? Are they not also life?
They are not sentient.

But there is no other way to feed this many people.
World hunger is a complex problem. You may be right, or you may be wrong.

Plant protein is scarce and the bio availability is low, not to mention mineral and vitamin deficiencies that have to be supplemented for much more so than with other diets
Vitamin D, b12 (and possibly iodine.) Many who aren't veg usually don't get enough of these vitamins to begin with. Especially magnesium. Many who go primal, for example, who end up drinking lots of raw milk, are forced to supplement with magnesium. Not saying raw milk isn't healthy. Objectively, who knows, but compared to pasteurized, I do know it's loaded to the brim with amazing nutrients. May also do wonders for your teeth.

Choline is debatable though. Same with omega 3s.

I think you're right about protein. Vegans should be careful to make sure they get enough.

and where do you get fat from on a vegan diet?
Avocados and nuts have loads of fat

(I'm no nutritionist, take what I saw with a grain of dericious salt)
 
#40 ·
I am not a vegan by any means, but I was a vegetarian as teenager, and today I feel just the right amount of guilt for industrial level farming and secure with my financial prospects to reach out for the slightly more expensive eggs that somehow end up with more poop markings on the eggshells (Why is that btw? Why do free range chicken farms don't do as good of a job washing their eggs?)
 
#41 · (Edited)
I know 3 vegans, don't know their types. One is definitely a thinker, one a possible thinker and one a feeler type. My husband and I cook vegan at home but eat dairy and cheese when we are out sometimes. We are vegetarians.

Looking at the 3 vegans we know, 2 are live and let live and are not very militant about sharing or forcing their views on other people. I mean we are aware that they do not partake in animal products but they are not pushy about it. It is a personal choice and they are ok and secure enough with it to not push it on other people. I love going out to eat with them because I know if they choose the restaurants, I will be able to eat there.

The other vegan is militant in her views and quite vocal about sharing them with total strangers if need be. She has questioned why we won't be vegan and basically assumes that her way of eating and her lifestyle choices are the only correct way to be and should be embraced by everyone. I have caught her with incorrect information about what is not vegan (specific types of beer for example) but to be fair, she has been a vegan since the dawn of time so they could have changed their production to being vegan and she wasn't aware of it.

Anyway, the point I am trying to make is that there are different ways to being vegan. There are different views in the vegan community about many things and what people will tolerate and what is unacceptable. For example, some are ok with having food cooked on a grill that is shared with meat. While they might view it as distasteful, they might think that it would do more harm to the cause to demand a meat free grill, realizing that if they are this picky, many restaurants might not offer meat free options because it is too hard to accommodate. Some vegans will only eat at places that offer no cross contamination. Some vegans are ok with keeping pets and some don't feel that keeping pets is vegan. There are a number of different views and places where people draw the line about being vegan. It is a very personal choice about what is defined as vegan, even in the vegan community.

I know reasonable vegans and vegans who seem less reasonable to me. The one who is more militant about it is intolerant about people's choices not related to foods and is the same way with most areas of her life.
 
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@crazitaco
So everyone should just raise and kill the animals themselves now? That's even more stupid... That's all I'm saying. It's not fixing anything. It's not fixing the methane problem. It's not fixing the health problem. It's not fixing the knife problem. It's not fixing the resource and food scarcity problem (because flesh is created from plants, it's very inefficient and wasteful, not a logical way of nourishment for an intelligent species). Mass scale production for anything exists because it is way more efficient than just everyone creating all their own stuff. Imagine if everyone had to produce their own coca-cola, bananas, cars or iPads... You're just going backwards by farming your own meat. You only solve one problem, animal maltreatment (although you're still imprisoning and killing them...) while potentially creating new problems. You're going back to pre-industrial era instead of going towards post industrial technological era. Food can be solved easily technologically. All you need to do is just skip the animal kingdom (because it's too high up the food chain) and go to the lower food chain, mainly plants and micro-organisms. They're even working an lab cultured meat now. Why still slaughter when you can just create meat in a lab? There's too much hillbilly in your mind.

And please, stop using protein as an excuse for anything. Studies have shown the protein minimum to sustain an average human is just a measly 5% of your total calories. (although 10% recommended) Most plants got quite a bit more than that...
 
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@crazitaco
So everyone should just raise and kill the animals themselves now? That's even more stupid... That's all I'm saying. It's not fixing anything. It's not fixing the methane problem. It's not fixing the health problem. It's not fixing the knife problem. It's not fixing the resource and food scarcity problem (because flesh is created from plants, it's very inefficient and wasteful, not a logical way of nourishment for an intelligent technological species). Mass scale production for anything exists because it is way more efficient than just everyone creating all their own stuff. Imagine if everyone had to produce their own coca-cola, bananas, cars or iPads... You're just going backwards by farming your own meat. You only solve one problem, animal maltreatment (although you're still imprisoning and killing them...) while potentially creating new problems. You're going back to pre-industrial era instead of going towards post industrial technological era. Food can be solved easily technologically. All you need to do is just skip the animal kingdom (because it's too high up the food chain) and go to the lower food chain, mainly plants and micro-organisms. They're even working an lab cultured meat now. Why still slaughter when you can just create meat in a lab? There's too much hillbilly in your mind.

And please, stop using protein as an excuse for anything. Do you really want me to go list you a bunch of studies that debunk your silly nonsense? Protein is a dogma based on outdated myths that the masses have picked up on... Studies have shown you don't need more than 5% of your calories from protein to sustain average muscle. Most plants got quite a bit more than that...
LMFAO
So here's a rough summary of our conversation:
you: "Industrial farming is bad! you're bad because you don't do the dirty work yourself!"
also you: "how dare you say you'd do the dirty work yourself! You weren't supposed to agree with me! Industry is so efficient!"
also you: "protein/vitamin b12 is a myth"

Please, spare me the vegan propaganda. I've seen more than enough, I've argued with enough vegans in my days. You're barking up the wrong tree. You think I care about global warming? Suffering? About scarcity? Yes, I do a little, but I've also come to accept that so long as people and animals exist it is futile, you can't win against entropy. Especially global warming, we passed the "point of no return" in 2016. Get with the times. This is the result of human progress, a world unbalanced with the natural order. We fix one thing with science, and it breaks two more things. The only thing worth doing at this point is ending your own genetic line so that your children and their children won't end up starving on an unbalanced, resource depleted planet, or contributing to the deaths of animals that you care so much about.

Animals would be luckier to go extinct by the doing of an experienced hunter who will give them an immediate death, rather than having their balls eaten off by a lioness after they've made little wildebeests who will also get their balls eaten off by a lioness after they've made little wildebeests until there's nowhere to live and starve to death because vegans are encroaching on the their habitat because of all the human development and efficiency leading to a human population explosion.

And here's what I think my "hillbilly" ass needs to start doing, everytime a vegan calls me a name such as hillbilly I think I'll eat some veal. :eek:h: That's one already, please continue to call me names, I may even upgrade to something like buffalo wings, where they are so tiny that in order to be full I have to eat like 4 little chickens at once. :eek:h:

 
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#55 ·
Plants don't have a nervous system or brain.
 
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