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View Poll Results: Which gender do you think, in general, is more decietful?

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This is a discussion on The deceitful sex. dun dun dun... within the Member Polls forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; Originally Posted by Fizz What is the point of this poll then? It just seems like you're trying to start ...

  1. #11

    Quote Originally Posted by Fizz View Post
    What is the point of this poll then? It just seems like you're trying to start some kind of battle of the sexes.
    I resent the fact that you think/feel such, as well as anyone else who thinks/feels such. There is no "battle of the sexes" initiation going on here and I furthermore resent the fact that you're attempting to instill guilt in me, if and only if it be the case, based on said thought/feeling. The point is to find a correlation, if there be one, which would justify the endeavor to search for a cause of said correlation. There may be some underlying biological adaptation that has taken place which has caused one gender to be more deceitful than the other, or the perception thereof. I'm not even assuming that deceit is a bad, though most people know from their parents "do not lie" (which is a very basic form of deceit). It may be a necessary thing.

    In short; I'm a curious scientist.

  2. #12

    Quote Originally Posted by LittleHawk View Post
    I don't really consider anybody to be deceitful, I think it's a really negative and unhealthy way of viewing people, almost expecting the worst of them before they have the chance to prove you wrong. I will say however I'm very careful about who I trust on the basis that I put a lot of energy into my relationships with people and I'm not really willing to casually throw that around. So for me this isn't really a gender related issue. Innocent til proven wrong, I think.
    Do you suppose that deceit could be viewed in a positive light?

  3. #13

    Quote Originally Posted by vellocent View Post
    This poll annoys me, I said both. Maybe you should say what personality type is the most decietful, because every person is different. Even that question the answer would be, unhealthy versions of any enneagram type. Men and women deceive by manipulating the other's desire to get what he/she wants. People who understand this, but have integrity will not be as deceptive as those who understand it, but are careless with how they treat others. It has everything to do with the balance between compassion and understanding desire. The problem is that people have reached a point where we understand desire, but looking beyond desire to compassion is more of an advanced concept, where the consequences can take anywhere from moments to decades to see the results of. For the sake of modesty, I'm far from obtaining this balance, farther than average at times.
    My interest is based on the unique properties of men and women. Indeed, every person is different. But surely there are tendencies based on a variety of factors. That's what I'm looking for. I understand your frustrations. Realize that I'm only a curious person.

  4. #14

    Quote Originally Posted by skycloud86 View Post
    I think it's better to separate the terms, because biology and identity can be and are two very different things.
    I suppose, I'd rather not though. When I ask someone, via indirect medium, "what's your sex?" they immediately assume I'm asking because I'm looking for sex (the reproductive one). That's really the main reason I take "gender" to mean "biological male/female". =.=

    Quote Originally Posted by skycloud86 View Post
    Most people are going to either vote for the opposite sex or for neither, so the results will depend heavily on the biological sex of the voters.
    Perhaps. I was thinking about putting "I'm a male/female" in parentheses but I thought that a lot of people would pretend and throw off the stats. I actually know a lot of women who perceive other women as being deceitful (maybe this is just a thing in my area?).

    Quote Originally Posted by skycloud86 View Post
    But you do agree that gender roles and societal expectations play a part, like most people believe?
    Of course, anything that exists in a society will have influence; especially that which is related to identity and status. How much influence is of another matter.

  5. #15

    I find this question difficult to answer. I have been deceived by men more often than I have been deceived by women, or at least, have known more men who have attempted to deceive me than women who have attempted to do so. I do not think this means that men are more deceitful. I think it is conditional. I think if I were a straight man, I would probably be more cautious about being deceived by women. A lot of the deception in either case has to do with social and romantic motives. I voted that neither is more deceitful than the other, but if I were to have voted based solely on personal experience, I would have voted differently.



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  6. #16

    According to the philosopher Chris Rock, men lie the most but women tell the biggest lies.

  7. #17

    Quote Originally Posted by AVanover5 View Post
    I suppose, I'd rather not though. When I ask someone, via indirect medium, "what's your sex?" they immediately assume I'm asking because I'm looking for sex (the reproductive one). That's really the main reason I take "gender" to mean "biological male/female". =.=
    You could just say "biological sex" or say "what sex were you born as?".

    Perhaps. I was thinking about putting "I'm a male/female" in parentheses but I thought that a lot of people would pretend and throw off the stats. I actually know a lot of women who perceive other women as being deceitful (maybe this is just a thing in my area?).
    Although it does have largely biological origins, society has helped to create competition and rivalry between members of the same sex, almost as much as it has created between the sexes themselves.

  8. #18

    Quote Originally Posted by skycloud86 View Post
    You could just say "biological sex" or say "what sex were you born as?".
    You don't think that they'd think of the reproductive act if I said that?

    Quote Originally Posted by skycloud86 View Post
    Although it does have largely biological origins, society has helped to create competition and rivalry between members of the same sex, almost as much as it has created between the sexes themselves.
    This I know. Competition can be a good thing but I think society has made it unhealthy. It's a pity really. Why can't we all just... get along. :p Seriously though, it makes it hard to date when the other is argumentative/resentful of everything you do. I stay away from those types of people but it seems like there is a lot more of them than before.

  9. #19

    Quote Originally Posted by pinkrasputin View Post
    According to the philosopher Chris Rock, men lie the most but women tell the biggest lies.
    You just made my day ♥

    Last edited by AVanover5; 03-31-2011 at 03:34 PM. Reason: added video

  10. #20

    Quote Originally Posted by AVanover5 View Post
    You don't think that they'd think of the reproductive act if I said that?
    Why would they with the second one? As for the first, wouldn't biological sex be a fairly well known term to most people?

    This I know. Competition can be a good thing but I think society has made it unhealthy. It's a pity really. Why can't we all just... get along. :p Seriously though, it makes it hard to date when the other is argumentative/resentful of everything you do. I stay away from those types of people but it seems like there is a lot more of them than before.
    Yes, I agree.


     
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