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    INFJ - The Protectors

    MBTI+ : Add-on personality systems to enhance character description and profiling

    MBTI does a great job in presenting character traits and descriptions, as well as describing thinking styles through cognitive functions. However, it also leaves many unanswered questions, such as the variations that exist among members with the same MBTI personality. This thread serves to fill-in those gaps, with additional personality and character trait systems.

    A major reason for the variation is differences in political personality traits. These are outlined and detailed as follows:

    Communists: Prefer socializing with a wide variety of people; Seek to understand others on a personal or intimate level; View problems as learning experiences and hurdles to overcome

    Nationalists: Prefer working with people who have more authority or talent; Have a clear line between what is personal and what is business; View problems as tests of personal character or ability

    See also: https://personalitycafe.com/myers-bri...rsonality.html

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    National Socialists
    :

    Desire: Power and control
    Values: Family, culture or tradition, and groupthink
    Engagement style: Direct and good-at-politics
    Lifestyle pace: Slow and relaxed
    Justice style: Mob rule
    Vices: Stalking, kidnapping, bondage or rape, torture

    National Capitalists:

    Desire: Wealth and money
    Values: High life; individuality, finding the self, a niche, or establishing a monopoly; self-expression
    Engagement style: Manipulative and focused
    Lifestyle pace: Fast and on-the-go
    Justice style: laissez faire, non-interference by authority
    Vices: Bribery, assassination or murder, fraud, cheating or stealing

    Communists:

    Desire: Truth and knowledge
    Values: Insight and understanding
    Engagement style: Unassuming and having no pretensions or ostentation
    Lifestyle pace: Steady
    Justice style: Law and fairness
    Vices: Voicing potentially unpopular opinions, being undemanding and eager to please both sides

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    Additional divisions, and further specifying the Communist division:

    Capital Socialists:
    Focus: Highly specialized skills, such as achieving new heights in competitive sports (becoming a famous athlete), the arts (becoming a famous singer), science and engineering (developing new technology or getting a Ph.D in the field of interest)
    Weakness: Might belittle others without intending to sound mean

    Social Capitalists:
    Focus: High Culture (being involved in the business with Chinese calligraphy, or selling artistic teapots like those used in Japanese tea ceremony, providing high-end decoration or luxury home design)
    Weakness: Might have higher expectations of people, and become impatient when those expectations do not match reality

    Social Communists:
    Focus: Societal potential (how to encourage greater understanding among different segments of society, foster greater cooperation and dialogue)
    Weakness: Might not fully or completely express personal opinions; focus too much on others' opinions

    Capital Communists:
    Focus: Human potential (how to make people's lives more fulfilling, easier and happier)
    Weakness: Might have high-expectations of self that causes depression or self-harm

    Neutral Communists:
    Focus: Children (developing and teaching children skills in the arts, like singing, playing musical instruments, or helping them with math, engineering and science; exploring ways to improve children's health)
    Weakness: Might have little interest in, or lack understanding of peers and adults

    See also: Political Views by Genetics: Natl. Socialists, Natl. Capitalists, Communists

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    Representation styles (four temperaments):

    Visual people - "Sanguine", fast movements, appear active and enthusiastic
    Auditory people - "Melancholic", medium-speed movements, appear analytical or quiet
    Olfactory people - "Phlegmatic", slow movements, appear peaceful and relaxed

    "Choleric" people - short-tempered, irritable (these people often have nails with short roots)

    Love Languages:

    Affirmation - desire to be praised; can appear very sociable
    Physical intimacy - desire to touch and be touched; can appear and sound innocent and playful
    Service - desire to do things for others; can appear very dependable
    Quality time - desire to spend meaningful time in quality settings; can appear thoughtful and quiet
    Gifting - desire to make others happy through gifts; can appear very caring

    Learning style:

    Visual learning - learns better through reading, charts or graphs
    Auditory/discussion learning - learns better through listening to a lecture, and discussing the topic
    Writing/kinesthetic/hands-on - learns better through hands-on experience, practice, and writing notes

    Multiple intelligence (Link to a simple test):

    Musical-rhythmic -sensitivity to sounds, rhythms, tones, and music
    Visual-spatial - spatial judgment and the ability to visualize with the mind's eye
    Verbal-linguistic - good at reading, writing, telling stories and memorizing words along with dates
    Logical-mathematical - logic, abstractions, reasoning, numbers and critical thinking
    Bodily-kinesthetic - control of bodily motions and handle objects skillfully
    Interpersonal - sensitivity to others' moods, feelings, temperaments, motivations; ability to cooperate on a team
    Intrapersonal - deep understanding of the self; what one's strengths or weaknesses are, what makes one unique, being able to predict one's own reactions or emotions
    Naturalistic - recognize flora and fauna; classifying animal and plant species, rocks and mountain types

    The three quotients can also be meaningful, though they are useful only when a person scores well below the average: (IQ, EQ, and motivational quotient [related to spiritual intelligence])
    Last edited by Sparky; 09-04-2017 at 09:40 PM.
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    You have no option for Anarchist.

    Also, Multiple-Intelligence is shit.

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    You have no option for Anarchist.

    Also, Multiple-Intelligence is shit.
    Anarchist is grouped with the National Capitalist, because of their preference for non-interference by any authority.
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    Before anything else I'd like to state that the thing I like most about MBTI is that it's all about factors of personality that do not change during your lifetime, but are things that you can develop in some way. Most additions to the system I have seen tend to be superficial traits that tend to change drastically during one's life.

    That said: you're proposing a lot of possible additions and I'd like to say something about all of them. Just keep in mind with everything that I say that I don't know that much about any of these, so my ideas about them will be superficial. I know a lot about MBTI because I've spent hundreds of hours with it. The things from your list are new to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    MBTI does a great job in presenting character traits and descriptions, as well as describing thinking styles through cognitive functions. However, it also leaves many unanswered questions, such as the variations that exist among members with the same MBTI personality. This thread serves to fill-in those gaps, with additional personality and character trait systems.

    A major reason for the variation is differences in political personality traits. These are outlined and detailed as follows:

    Communists: Prefer socializing with a wide variety of people; Seek to understand others on a personal or intimate level; View problems as learning experiences and hurdles to overcome

    Nationalists: Prefer working with people who have more authority or talent; Have a clear line between what is personal and what is business; View problems as tests of personal character or ability

    See also: https://personalitycafe.com/myers-bri...rsonality.html

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    National Socialists
    :

    Desire: Power and control
    Values: Family, culture or tradition, and groupthink
    Engagement style: Direct and good-at-politics
    Lifestyle pace: Slow and relaxed
    Justice style: Mob rule
    Vices: Stalking, kidnapping, bondage or rape, torture

    National Capitalists:

    Desire: Wealth and money
    Values: High life; individuality, finding the self, a niche, or establishing a monopoly; self-expression
    Engagement style: Manipulative and focused
    Lifestyle pace: Fast and on-the-go
    Justice style: laissez faire, non-interference by authority
    Vices: Bribery, assassination or murder, fraud, cheating or stealing

    Communists:

    Desire: Truth and knowledge
    Values: Insight and understanding
    Engagement style: Unassuming and having no pretensions or ostentation
    Lifestyle pace: Steady
    Justice style: Law and fairness
    Vices: Voicing potentially unpopular opinions, being undemanding and eager to please both sides

    ------

    Additional divisions, and further specifying the Communist division:

    Capital Socialists:
    Focus: Highly specialized skills, such as achieving new heights in competitive sports (becoming a famous athlete), the arts (becoming a famous singer), science and engineering (developing new technology or getting a Ph.D in the field of interest)
    Weakness: Might belittle others without intending to sound mean

    Social Capitalists:
    Focus: High Culture (being involved in the business with Chinese calligraphy, or selling artistic teapots like those used in Japanese tea ceremony, providing high-end decoration or luxury home design)
    Weakness: Might have higher expectations of people, and become impatient when those expectations do not match reality

    Social Communists:
    Focus: Societal potential (how to encourage greater understanding among different segments of society, foster greater cooperation and dialogue)
    Weakness: Might not fully or completely express personal opinions; focus too much on others' opinions

    Capital Communists:
    Focus: Human potential (how to make people's lives more fulfilling, easier and happier)
    Weakness: Might have high-expectations of self that causes depression or self-harm

    Neutral Communists:
    Focus: Children (developing and teaching children skills in the arts, like singing, playing musical instruments, or helping them with math, engineering and science; exploring ways to improve children's health)
    Weakness: Might have little interest in, or lack understanding of peers and adults

    Political Views by Genetics: Natl. Socialists, Natl. Capitalists, Communists

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    This is not for me I'm afraid. It's about interests, which change over time. I also don't really like the idea that these words already mean something in another field (politics) and would now be used for another system to fit ideas that are in the same ballpark but different. I fear that a system like this would make it impossible to use the term communist for anything anymore, as it will mean different things to different people. (I already have this problem with simple words like 'extravert' and other terms from MBTI)

    Representation styles (four temperaments):

    Visual people - "Sanguine", fast movements, appear active and enthusiastic
    Auditory people - "Melancholic", medium-speed movements, appear analytical or quiet
    Olfactory people - "Phlegmatic", slow movements, appear peaceful and relaxed

    "Choleric" people - short-tempered, irritable (these people often have nails with short roots)
    While these are pretty attractive on their own, it's hard to use them. There's a reason this theory stopped being used after the 17th century. It's very symbolic and engaging, but there's not much foundation of these in real science.

    Love Languages:

    Affirmation - desire to be praised; can appear very sociable
    Physical intimacy - desire to touch and be touched; can appear and sound innocent and fun-loving
    Service - desire to do things for others; can appear very dependable
    Quality time - desire to spend meaningful time in quality settings; can appear thoughtful and quiet
    Gifting - desire to make others happy through gifts; can appear very caring
    The name 'love languages' turns me off from this theory, but the idea behind it seems interesting. I'm not sure if any of it is useful or accurate and appartently there hasn't been any real research on the topic. I think parts of this can be very promising in understanding human emotion, although it can be hard to untangle certain parts of these from Fi and Fe in MBTI.

    Learning style:

    Visual learning - learns better through reading, charts or graphs
    Auditory/discussion learning - learns better through listening to a lecture, and discussing the topic
    Writing/kinesthetic/hands-on - learns better through trial-and-error, practice, and taking notes
    I'm personally of the opinion that there is a lot of overlap with MBTI here. Si learns through memorizing information, Se learns through trial and error, Fe learns through discussion of a topic, Ne learns through thinking up new directions for ideas...

    I'm not sure how much these overlap, but it would not surprise me if at least part of this is already solidly founded within MBTI.

    Multiple intelligence (Link to a simple test):

    Musical-rhythmic -sensitivity to sounds, rhythms, tones, and music
    Visual-spatial - spatial judgment and the ability to visualize with the mind's eye
    Verbal-linguistic - good at reading, writing, telling stories and memorizing words along with dates
    Logical-mathematical - logic, abstractions, reasoning, numbers and critical thinking
    Bodily-kinesthetic - control of bodily motions and handle objects skillfully
    Interpersonal - sensitivity to others' moods, feelings, temperaments, motivations; ability to cooperate on a team
    Intrapersonal - deep understanding of the self; what one's strengths or weaknesses are, what makes one unique, being able to predict one's own reactions or emotions
    Naturalistic - recognize flora and fauna; classifying animal and plant species, rocks and mountain types
    I've spent some time thinking about the multiple intelligences in the past and I can't ever seem to decide how much this would or wouldn't overlap with MBTI. I have not found an answer myself (mainly because science has not figured this whole thing out fully yet), but I think this is a very promising area of research that deserves more attention.

    The three quotients can also be meaningful, though they are useful only when a person scores well below the average: (IQ, EQ, and motivational quotient [related to spiritual intelligence])
    I'm a firm believer that intelligence is a separate factor from the things that MBTI measures, although I'm sceptical of the IQ test as a means of measuring intelligence as it favours certain types of intelligence over others. In fact, this is where the whole multiple intelligences theory came from.

    I think intelligence is part of personality and very relevant for giving people a fair assessment. It's just so very hard to measure as we don't fully understand it yet. I'm definitely very interested in seeing the developments in those areas.



    Overall I hope I wasn't too negative here. I think there's a lot of room to expand on MBTI as the human brain is complex and there's so much more going on than just taking in information and making decisions (the only two factors that MBTI really describes). I'm just not sure yet how it all fits together with all those other factors going on.
    At the very least I try to stay very critical of everything I hear in this vein. It's very easy to get sidetracked and start to believe things that sound pretty, but the truth usually isn't all that pretty or straightforward.

    In any case, I loved reading all of this and I think there's a lot of potential there. Keep up the good work.
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    @Drecon

    Thank you for your thoughts and feedback. While the political terms might be loaded, they do describe the character traits to a certain extent. It appears that the only problem keeping you from accepting any of these is the lack of scientific data and "real" research, though I can assure you that these traits are all observable, and can be ascertained from personal experience.
    Last edited by Sparky; 09-04-2017 at 09:13 PM.

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Romantic compatibility in the case of political character traits follows the phrase "birds of a feather flock together". Besides people of the same political personality being attracted to each other, they are also more likely to associate with people who are like themselves. These compatibilities need not be taken so seriously, and are considered with addition to MBTI, and other factors like temperaments and learning styles:

    Besides matching with themselves, National Socialists can also be matched with Capital Socialists and Neutral Communists
    National Capitalists can also be matched with Social Capitalists and Neutral Communists
    Capital Socialists - National Socialists, Social Communists
    Social Capitalists - National Capitalists, Capital Communists
    Social Communists - Capital Communists, Capital Socialists
    Capital Communists - Social Communists, Social Capitalists
    Neutral Communists - National Socialists, National Capitalists

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    Neutral Communist division has a wide focus on children, so it's also possible that Neutral Communists can be further sub-divided into Social Neutral Communists (Social Neutralists) and Capital Neutral Communists (Capital Neutralists). Social Neutralists focus on improving children's well-being through technology and science, while Capital Neutralists focus on children's well-being through arts and music. This division is not very clear, and it could be related to other factors, like differences between INTP and ENTP Neutral Communists, as well as in them being visual or auditory learners, and having visual or auditory temperaments. For example, an INTP Neutral Communist with auditory temperament and visual learning might prefer doing computer programming and IT, while an ENTP Neutral Communist with visual temperament and auditory learning might prefer teaching children singing and playing the piano.

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    Multiple intelligence might be an outgrowth of various temperaments and learning style combinations. The different temperaments determine how people feed information into their subconscious memory, while learning style explains how people gain information with working memory. For example, a person with visual temperament would be using their eyes to take-in lots of information that is input into their subconscious, so it appears natural when they produce something visually pleasing, without being able to fully explain how they did it. The visual learner would obtain information using working memory, which can then relate the information to how it can be used in different contexts or under different settings.

    In terms of multiple intelligence, a person with auditory temperament and hands-on learning style might be attracted to writing stories about what they've heard (displaying higher verbal-linguistic intelligence), while a person with olfactory temperament and auditory learning style might be attracted to dancing (bodily-kinesthetic intelligence). Similarly, a person with auditory temperament and visual learning style might be attracted to math and science (logical-mathematical intelligence). Also, a person with visual temperament and hands-on learning style might be attracted to photography or filming (visual-spatial intelligence).
    Last edited by Sparky; 09-07-2017 at 12:59 AM.

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Because the personality titles are politically loaded, the following substitutions can be considered:

    National Socialists - Whigs

    Capital Socialists - Republicans

    Social Capitalists - Democrats

    National Capitalists - Tories

    Social Communists - Progressives

    Capital Communists - Libertarians

    Neutral Communists - Independents

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    If human society is like that of an ant society, then the following personality traits would be like this:

    National Socialists: Soldiers and enforcers
    National Capitalists: Gatherers and harvesters
    Capital Socialists: Researchers and scientists
    Social Capitalists: Attendants and broadcasters
    Social Communist: Customer Service representatives
    Capital Communist: Entertainers
    Neutral Communist: Teachers
    Last edited by Sparky; 09-09-2017 at 12:19 AM.

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Two very similar people are singers Trent Reznor and Ellie Goulding, because they are both Capital Socialist, of visual temperament and auditory learning style (and are ENFP).

    You can compare their personalities to that of a Social Capitalist, Weird Al, who is also of visual temperament and auditory learning style (also ENFP).

    Additionally, two similar people are singers Marilyn Manson and Chris Cornell, who are also Capital Socialist and auditory learners, except they are of the olfactory temperament (and both ENTP).
    Last edited by Sparky; 09-11-2017 at 10:21 PM.

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Ariana Grande and Madonna are both Neutral Communist and ENTP, though Madonna is of the auditory temperament and visual learner, while Ariana Grande is of visual temperament and auditory learner

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Justin Timberlake and Josh Hutcherson are both ESTP, Neutral Communist, Auditory temperament, and hands-on learners

    Another comparison of note is between Annette Bening and Hillary Clinton, who are ENTP, Neutral Communist, visual temperament, and auditory learners
    Last edited by Sparky; 09-18-2017 at 03:10 AM.


     
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