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This is a discussion on idealised self within the Myers Briggs Forum forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; I was practicing working out cognitive functions of the types the other day and trying to acctualise how the cognitive ...

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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    idealised self

    I was practicing working out cognitive functions of the types the other day and trying to acctualise how the cognitive functions realate to MBTI type. I am an ENTP with (obviously) Ne Ti Fe Si and I was looking at the INTJ profile and noticed that they have the inverse of my functions but in the same order, Ni Te Fi Se. Now I don't know If this is already a well thought of thing but after reading the INTJ descriptions a few times I realised that I have always in a way tried to see myself as their type. (the detached unemotional thinker who can sit isolated without discomfort and think and actually follow through). I have read that a lot of attraction comes between the opposites of a function (e.g Ne to Ni) and I got the idea that because all the functions are opposite in this way, that INTJ is my idealized self or the person that I want to be.

    I went to my good ENFP friend and asked her about my INFJ friend that she had met a while back, and she pretty much told me that she thought miss INFJ was living the life she wanted (a dedicated musician who sings almost directly from the heart) and she always saw herself as what The INFJ truly was. My INFJ friend also really liked the ENFP but I haven't asked much about it to her.

    Please if anyone can confirm or contribute to my hypothesis it would be most helpful



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    ISTP - The Mechanics


    That's interesting, because if this theory was correct, as an ISTP, I should want to be an ESTJ. Which I don't.

    ...But, I've always been unsure about my N/S dichotomy (Meaning that I could possibly be an INTP), and I've always really admired ENTJs, whilst pretty much wanting for ages to be one.

    So, yeah. I'm interested about other people's take on this.

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    For what it's worth — and I'm inclined to disagree — Marie Louise von Franz (one of Jung's most famous pupils) said (citing Jung) that people have the most difficulty understanding not the opposite of their dominant function (i.e., Se for an Ni-dom), but rather their dominant function turned in the opposite direction (i.e., Ne for an Ni-dom). As she put it:

    "Jung has said that the hardest thing to understand is not your opposite type — if you have introverted feeling it is very difficult to understand an extraverted thinking type — but the same functional type with the other attitude! It would be most difficult for an introverted feeling type to understand an extraverted feeling type. There one feels that one does not know how the wheels go round in that person's head."
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    INTP - The Thinkers


    Never wanted to be an ESTJ, except that then maybe my dad wouldn't think I'm so worthless -__- I've never wanted to be any kind of J, and I've definitely never thought of myself as one. I'm a really strong P, and I like myself this way. Plus, I would never want to give up my Se. *hugs Se tightly* Mine!

    I wouldn't mind being an ESTP, though.
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    ISTP - The Mechanics

    Quote Originally Posted by reckful View Post
    For what it's worth — and I'm inclined to disagree — Marie Louise von Franz (one of Jung's most famous pupils) said (citing Jung) that people have the most difficulty understanding not the opposite of their dominant function (i.e., Se for an Ni-dom), but rather their dominant function turned in the opposite direction (i.e., Ne for an Ni-dom). As she put it:
    "Jung has said that the hardest thing to understand is not your opposite type — if you have introverted feeling it is very difficult to understand an extraverted thinking type — but the same functional type with the other attitude! It would be most difficult for an introverted feeling type to understand an extraverted feeling type. There one feels that one does not know how the wheels go round in that person's head."
    It makes sense. You still have the same functions as the opposite type, so in an inverted sense you're not as different as you might think. I would say in rebuttal to von Franz, though, that the difficulties are worse when the functions are within the same dichotomy but turned in the dame direction (eg, Ti vs Fi). It gets worse when the same is also true for the auxiliary function--so an ISTP will have a harder time understanding an INFP, an ESTJ an ENFJ, and so on.

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    INFP


    I tested this on a couple of forums with a linked real vs ideal test;

    INFP forum
    INFP, I am my ideal type
    19
    30.16%
    INFJ
    6
    9.52%
    ENFP
    6
    9.52%
    ENFJ
    4
    6.35%
    ISTP
    0
    0%
    ISTJ
    0
    0%
    ESTP
    2
    3.17%
    ESTJ
    1
    1.59%
    INTP
    6
    9.52%
    INTJ
    5
    7.94%
    ENTP
    1
    1.59%
    ENTJ
    10
    15.87%
    ISFP
    2
    3.17%
    ISFJ
    0
    0%
    ESFP
    0
    0%
    ESFJ
    1
    1.59%

    ENTP forum
    ENTP
    13
    48.15%
    INTP
    0
    0%
    ENTJ
    5
    18.52%
    INTJ
    4
    14.81%
    ENFP
    0
    0%
    INFP
    0
    0%
    ENFJ
    1
    3.70%
    INFJ
    1
    3.70%
    ESTP
    1
    3.70%
    ISTP
    0
    0%
    ESTJ
    1
    3.70%
    ISTJ
    0
    0%
    ESFJ
    1
    3.70%
    ISFJ
    0
    0%
    ESFP
    0
    0%
    ISFP
    0
    0%

    INFJ forum
    INFJ
    8
    32.00%
    INFP
    0
    0%
    ENFJ
    2
    8.00%
    ENFP
    2
    8.00%
    ISFJ
    0
    0%
    ISFP
    1
    4.00%
    ESFJ
    0
    0%
    ESFP
    0
    0%
    ISTJ
    0
    0%
    ISTP
    0
    0%
    ESTJ
    2
    8.00%
    ESTP
    0
    0%
    INTJ
    5
    20.00%
    INTP
    1
    4.00%
    ENTJ
    4
    16.00%
    ENTP
    0
    0%

    I started to see a pattern showing that both ENTJ and INTJ seem to be the most people's ideal types, aside from the type they actually are
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    ISTP - The Mechanics


    Quote Originally Posted by kasthu View Post
    It makes sense. You still have the same functions as the opposite type, so in an inverted sense you're not as different as you might think. I would say in rebuttal to von Franz, though, that the difficulties are worse when the functions are within the same dichotomy but turned in the dame direction (eg, Ti vs Fi). It gets worse when the same is also true for the auxiliary function--so an ISTP will have a harder time understanding an INFP, an ESTJ an ENFJ, and so on.
    That'd make sense in my case, seeing as I've been completely confused by INFPs recently. I completely "get" the majority of ISFPs though.


     

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