How do thinkers respond to/deal with constructive criticism compared to feelers?

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    How do thinkers respond to/deal with constructive criticism compared to feelers?

    How do thinkers generally respond to receiving constructive criticism from others? How does this compare to or differ from how a feeler might deal with circumstances where they receive constructive criticism? What are the causes for the differences (if there are any)? Explain your reasoning.



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    A thinker will likely A). Tell you why you are wrong or B). Take it or leave it.

    The feeler will die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffrei View Post
    A thinker will likely A). Tell you why you are wrong or B). Take it or leave it.

    The feeler will die.
    Sounds like a very sad and undignified position to be in as a feeler. Makes me grateful to be able to learn from others and accept constructive advice with grace.

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    FJs seems to have really hard time with this. I just have a simple procedure for this:
    Is this person right?
    A)Yes -admit
    B)No -ignore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwinz View Post
    FJs seems to have really hard time with this. I just have a simple procedure for this:
    Is this person right?
    A)Yes -admit
    B)No -ignore.
    :/ same. Sucks when you see a bad behavior or inaccurate belief and know how to fix it but have no other choice but to let it go on because of the other person's selfishness or fear of being wrong/learning. It's a very disheartening experience. Speaking of which, have you ever heard of the term, "learned helplessness"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emotionally scary mothers View Post
    :/ same. Sucks when you see a bad behavior or inaccurate belief and know how to fix it but have no other choice but to let it go on because of the other person's selfishness or fear of being wrong/learning. It's a very disheartening experience. Speaking of which, have you ever heard of the term, "learned helplessness"?
    there is very little to be done if someone is being that way. sometimes i need to remind mysef not to get too involved in other peoples stupidity. this is true for all types

    as for criticsm, if someone tells me im wrong, i check to see if theyre right. if yes, i will take action to rectify. if no, i can be a bit harsh, i will admit. but then again, im not necessarily a "nice" person.

    as for feelers, i assume they have a similar process of going about it. i only know the te/ni way of dealing with things. i find that most people are generally very stubborn about things when they believe they are right. i generally dont go around correcting others ayway, im too busy doing other things.

    what about learned helplessness?
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    I think it depends

    Delivery matters to me
    Motivations, intentions, & not being too presumptuous (I say too presumptuous, because I think everyone can be guilty of making false assumptions it’s important IMO however if the person is gathering their opinions they give with a full picture, generally speaking).

    As well as if it is someone who would respond terrible if the shoe was on the other foot
    I tend to take constructive criticism the best, from those who not only deal it well, but are able to accept it in return
    Nothing more annoying than a person who wants to solicit but can’t accept solicitation themselves

    Is empathy used?
    I don’t mean on any deep prolific level even
    I simply mean is the person dealing solicitation able to consider it from the other side of the coin vs what they believe to be their definition and interpretation of a said subject

    What I listed above plays into how receptive I will be of the person
    Regardless even when I do not like what someone has to say I generally do consider it
    Often even in Per C for example, I tend to debate the principle of a matter as far as interpretations vs whether my direct opinion is right or wrong. What an opponent with opposing view would not realize about me is that I will still process their objective and point. I just tend to dispute the principles of delivery most often. Because I do not have in many cases definitive lines for object at hand often it’s rather easy for me to consider the point of the matter. (The opposing party just does not usually recognize I am considering it however, because I am disputing their principles or delivery.)

    I would not say I am receptive to acknowledging a persons view if they start rattling on about who is right or wrong or whose interpretations are more valid. Again doesn’t mean i am not considering their point to try and filter various possibilities, it means I am not very likely to validate this sort of approach as a solid form of discourse. They could be even be ‘right’ (I prefer the word accurate), but of their whole premise is subjective interpretation where they are flamboyantly self righteous, I see no reason to validate the person. I can still acknowledge to myself they could have a one or two or all solid points however.

    I have an example. In another thread I over stated somethings rather callous accounting for a previous experience. While I can acknowledge why the reader/responded found my remarks off the surface tacky, they really took a few sentences and ran away with a very presumptuous dialogue building their own conclusions with some information I hadn’t stated and stating their opinions on whether I was valid of love for some tacky remarks I made about a specific previous relationship. The reader did not care to ask any further information before assigning some rather bold assertions. Outside disputing the principle of the argument and the persons premise I really did not dignify them with an explanation further into where I come from as I don’t think I owed them that. I did however consider some of the persons interpretations of how I stated a few things how it could be perceived and that is what i really actually took from the conversation. So I did learn from the reader on how we portray things how it can be a later misperception. And I also considered the parts of their point which would truly apply to me where relevant had the person thought to actually inquire for background. I accept my misfire and faulty delivery as having some place in this. But I do not particularly care to validate the poster who continually felt very entitled to make a very at length assertion.

    So I guess I am willing to consider, take what applies, and depending on the delivery is dependent on how I respond directly to the person. I am not really sensitive to correction when I deem it constructive. When I think it’s more so an attack I would say my middle finger reflex is strong. Because who likes being attacked.

    I think feeler vs thinker depends on the what

    From my observation everyone has some weak spots or triggers that can impact how they receive info depending
    All of these can be Pro & Con
    TP: Principle of Matter
    I think hardcore Ti can be fence sitter or convenience is often easy to utilize

    TJ: Facts (Like straight up Te)
    Well obviously facts are proven criteria etc. but facts are still obtained through methods which are not always permanent. Some information can change. Also if you get a TJ who has a poor memory and forgets the facts they dispute that can be annoying. My mother does this. While she is not someone I usually care to debate with. Her strategy is solid. It does not mean that all of us can’t recognize contradictions or a clear misquoted memory lapse. However in most events I prefer not to engage in proving her wrong. She HATEs being proven wrong. Good thing I have never cared much about proving people wrong. But it’s painful to even listen to others attempt it with her.

    FJ: Group Objective vs Individual Merit
    I have found this can be great in some instances for big picture team crap
    However as leaders these guys can actually sacrifice others individual based merit to meet their own personal group goal objectives or take pity on underdogs and undermine persons who are more responsive. They can also undermine validity of individual competency while pandering to cause. Which is a contradiction obviously. Willing to preach and teach others what they must personally sacrifice to reach whatever their said group objective is, while still requiring their own individual based merit they built off group network they visualize.

    FP: Right vs Wrong (Subjective morality interpretations they always argue is universal or objective- while most people agree murder is bad, often these people will argue whatever they interpret is a defining fact when it’s usually a fricken opinion).

    In my view all types can be rather stubborn if a specific subject matter effects trigger they have.
    Last edited by Sensational; 07-16-2018 at 10:18 PM.
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    I'm not a thinker, I'm a Sensor so who knows if the thinking function even relates to this in my case or not.

    When criticized, I don't care about the criticism at all in the moment as the conversation is happening. What I'm seeing is someone's disagreement and if I'm interested I'll engage but if they've said some really boring / annoyed / annoying shit in response I will ignore it.

    Valid criticism of my personality/character is something that goes in the back of the head and the adjustment happens over time.

    However, invalid criticism, ad hominem, bitch fits and overly annoyed responses just feed into amusement for me. The more someone gets annoyed, the more fun I have so I will just go all in. They become a bunny for my entertainment. They keep responding, I keep responding all the while I've gone from half serious/serious to all out pushing their buttons because if someone can't let something go it's funny to watch them get all riled up and hot and bothered. So .. Now that's out in the open, hopefully people are more vary of engaging me because half the time, this is my face -->

    If someone calls me an Islamophobe for criticizing Islam, that is not a valid criticism of me, so I summarily reject it as gaslighting. If someone criticizes something I've said, then I'll just look for whatever it is they've said and devise a strategy to either agree, disagree, reject or counter.
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    ESTP

    It'll be something I was already aware of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Ribbon View Post
    there is very little to be done if someone is being that way. sometimes i need to remind mysef not to get too involved in other peoples stupidity. this is true for all types

    as for criticsm, if someone tells me im wrong, i check to see if theyre right. if yes, i will take action to rectify. if no, i can be a bit harsh, i will admit. but then again, im not necessarily a "nice" person.

    as for feelers, i assume they have a similar process of going about it. i only know the te/ni way of dealing with things. i find that most people are generally very stubborn about things when they believe they are right. i generally dont go around correcting others ayway, im too busy doing other things.

    what about learned helplessness?
    I just thought it was relevant in the context in that accepting that there's nothing you can do to teach someone a better/more efficient/accurate way of doing/viewing something involves a certain learned helplessness. This is more often than not bad for one's dignity, I find.


     
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