Are Thinking Types *Really* that Argumentative?

Are Thinking Types *Really* that Argumentative?

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This is a discussion on Are Thinking Types *Really* that Argumentative? within the Myers Briggs Forum forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; I've read that feeling is conflict avoidant, and thinking (NTs in particular) welcome it. However, I avoid it in most ...

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    Are Thinking Types *Really* that Argumentative?

    I've read that feeling is conflict avoidant, and thinking (NTs in particular) welcome it.

    However, I avoid it in most contexts as it doesn't seem worth the effort. Why offend someone to prove a point, especially one that they may or may not listen to anyway? There are exceptions of course, like if I think something isn't going to work, someone makes a hasty/dumb judgement, or with friends/family.

    An ESFJ I know, I'm pretty sure gets a high from disagreement. My sister, ESFP, hates conflict but is far more likely to tell someone they're doing something incorrectly. It seems like it be influenced by the level of introversion, and/or leading Te or Fe.
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    You will not get [much] out of a NT-type (argumentative) wise. IMO, thinkers do not like to argue. Arguing Te-people is very short-lived. They will play around with the argument for a few minutes then immediately get bored of it. An XNTJ woman is not going to argue back (&) forth with you in public - barely at all. That is silly stuff. After my 30 second shouting-match, I am ready to settle down. The solution was made as soon as it started. The "argumentative" part is just the other specimen needing to get some stuff off the chest once it passes 10 minutes. Thinkers are discussion people.

    ESFJ is coming back (2) hours later bringing up some shit from last week to argue about and utilize it has evidence for the previous argument. Bad for NTJs with terrible memory. Some (feeling) specimen(s) may utilize this as a tactic to get information. (NT) is just sitting there like a turtle until the ESFJ finishes or it passes. I do not argue with feelers. They fight dirty. Unfairly. They scratch. Bring in irrelevant weapons. Bite. Hit below the belt. NT's (thinkers) prefer to box. We are boxers. We are coming in with calculated kidney shots and letting the opponent wind themselves out slowly. ST's are MMA. They are doing triangle chokes - not eye pokes. I would only jump in the rink with another thinker.

    I do not have time to get my face tattoo'd with cat scratches. (NTs) have to get to work in the morning. You can hide bodyshots with that nice suit and tie.
    Last edited by Catwalk; 09-12-2018 at 09:01 PM.

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    Thinking types are less likely to see debates and discussions as arguments. Feeling types are more likely to.

    Intertype conflicts arise due to miscommunication and misunderstanding.
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    I think T-types are more drawn towards discussions, not towards conflict. I've been told by an ISFJ that when I debate another person, I seem to be in a fight. However, for me, it's more about being excited by the push and pull, the confrontation of ideas, not of personalities. So in this sense yes, I do like arguments, based on a debate between opposing ideas.

    However, there are some F-types who can't really separate the idea from the person and that is why some people might think I like the conflict form of arguing. I see it as open season on ideas, but not on people. F-types don't really automatically understand that I might be extremely tough on an idea, while at the same time have no ill thoughts towards the person holding that idea. In this sense, I'm not argumentative, especially when personal insults or accusations may occur.

    So yes, I love fighting against ideas, but not against people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strelnikov View Post
    So yes, I love fighting against ideas, but not against people.
    Coward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bastard View Post
    Coward.
    I didn't say I won't do it, if I have to... I just said I don't like it :)

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    I don't argue
    I merely explain MY perspective idea[s]
    in return if the other person has knowledge of same ideas I welcome logical feed back
    if they can find logical coherent flaws and offer logical coherent solutions I welcome that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strelnikov View Post
    I think T-types are more drawn towards discussions, not towards conflict. I've been told by an ISFJ that when I debate another person, I seem to be in a fight. However, for me, it's more about being excited by the push and pull, the confrontation of ideas, not of personalities. So in this sense yes, I do like arguments, based on a debate between opposing ideas.

    However, there are some F-types who can't really separate the idea from the person and that is why some people might think I like the conflict form of arguing. I see it as open season on ideas, but not on people. F-types don't really automatically understand that I might be extremely tough on an idea, while at the same time have no ill thoughts towards the person holding that idea. In this sense, I'm not argumentative, especially when personal insults or accusations may occur.

    So yes, I love fighting against ideas, but not against people.
    That's a perspective I considered, if perhaps my idea of an argument is different from those around me (as I've experienced what I thought was discussion and the other person thought it was more heated than that).
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    Quote Originally Posted by great_pudgy_owl View Post
    and thinking (NTs in particular)
    Man, this forum sometimes :facepalm:

    I don't consider myself a Thinking type, but rationality what I prefer almost entirely when it comes to decision making because feelings are more about wants for me and therefore easily suppressible.

    My dad is a Thinking type in my family (ESTJ) and no, he's not argumentative in a what's typically assumed to be argumentative. He's disagreeable in Big 5 terms because his mind is made up and backed by rational thought which is usually not easy to break apart.

    He wants to forces you to see things his way and tries to beat you down with sheer force of argument strength. His logic is not fallible from my perspective however because in many of his arguments I can see that he's missed some things that I know. Thinking is only as good as the knowledge that supports it.

    This is something that is really a problem area for my brother (ENTJ) though. He has let his thirst for knowledge go over the last few decades for some reason. I don't know why, but he's stuck in certain beliefs that while extremely logical aren't backed up with facts like they should be. Changing his mind in an argument is almost impossible. I think he's decided that knowledge for the sake of knowledge is not as important to him as applying his mind creatively to advance his career. As far as his career goes he's pretty much a shining star. When it comes to certain things we argue over, he knows less than I do so he's not capable of seeing eye to eye with me ... Also refuses to acknowledge the strength of my sources vs his. It's a battle and we've decided that we won't argue about anything anymore because it always used to get very heated.

    Our last argument was a few months ago where we both lost our cool and said some pretty horrible things to each other. Decided a few days later to let it all slide and are now cordial. My ENFJ sister basically created a political soap box where the three of us discuss politics now in a much more civil manner. Pretty neat tbh.

    Why do I argue? Because I'm perpetually bored and I want to amuse myself. At times riling up people, annoying them, or just picking at their brains (if I'm so inclined to actually want a serious discussion) helps pass the time *shrug*
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    Eh

    I associate argumentative types more so with Ne & Si axis
    Not T vs F

    From my view many ENTPs, ESFJs, and INFPs
    All for that matter can all equally be extremely argumentative (depending on the issue)

    It is less likely you see Se & Ni axis up on their soap box philosophizing their own world interpretation trying to force their view on a new world order, (well NFJ can be hit or miss on that lol )
    Far less likely NFJ, NTJ, STP, & SFP have the patience to give a flying fuck about people arguing for the sake of it

    Look next time at a debate
    Not that Ni & Se axis can’t ever debate or be argumentative. But it is we’re more so rooted from problem solving trying to make things open and shut case with fast resolve, not brain farting the idea for the sake of it and recycling who the hell said what or citing some convenient shit.

    I don’t generally care

    Just saying it’s the axis of Ne & Si which is more inclined to argue
    Not T vs F

    For them it’s a discussion
    For me I want to poke my eyeballs out when this happens because I am thinking about the consumption of time in my life spent on a debate of who would win in a war between Mario & Luigi (ok maybe being a bitch there but ya get my drift).

    For the love of gawd WTF, and the story ends with two Ne & Si axis people getting killed off first because a zombie ate them while they debated over what is the best way to kill a zombie. If they rope an NFJ or SFP into debate it’s usually messing with ideals trolling but NFJ or SFP will still get bored faster. If they rope an STP or NTJ it’s probably because they had poor form or conduct and are getting called out for method (not even subject matter)
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