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This is a discussion on Which type is most likely to be Narcissistic? within the Myers Briggs Forum forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; Originally Posted by brightflashes What, exactly is secondary psychopathy? Both me and @ Wellsy have dabbled a bit in the ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by brightflashes View Post
    What, exactly is secondary psychopathy? Both me and @Wellsy have dabbled a bit in the study of psychopathy and I've never heard of this before (Wellsy, that's why I summon you as well to this thread - have you heard of this?).

    Also, where do you get this particular statistic? I wasn't aware there had ever been a study of psychopathy and MBTI type. I'd be extremely interested in their methods especially.

    I do have to say that I find it so sad that many cannot seem to see the depth of heart inside the INTJ. It is something I struggle to defend and bright light to, but I've learned to remain silent as my efforts are destined to fall upon deaf ears.
    It wasn't a very scientific study, some person polled the different types in terms of how high they ranked in psychopathic traits. None of the individual types ranked particularly high, although ENTP and ESTP ranked the highest.

    I think primary psychopathy is more like "meanness" and secondary psychopathy is impulsivity and rule breaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LonelySpaceEmperor View Post
    @brightflashes Psychopathy is a field of study and a condition which happens on a continuum, i.e. a spectrum. Psychopathy is split into two factors:

    Factor 1 Psychopathy (Classic Psychopathy) which is mainly Interpersonal and includes symptoms like: Cold Heartedness, Low emotionality such as fearlessness, shallow emotions, Callousness, Superficial Charm, Grandiosity and Pathological Lying.

    Factor 2 Psychopathy (AKA Sociopathy) is mainly Affective and Behavioral. Symptoms are: Antisocial tendencies, Impulsivity, unstable emotions, Parasytic lifestyle, irresponsibility, lack of empathy.

    EDIT: A lot of INTJs including myself score high on Factor 1 Psychopathy on that test, but what it is measuring is Sub-clinical Psychopathy, not Clinical Psychopathy, I believe the test itself stated that a score of 97% or above would indicate Clinical Psychopathy. Scoring high on Factor 1 Psychopathy has a lot less meaning than scoring high on factor 2 psychopathy because Factor 1 Psychopathy is something an individual is born with via genetics. Factor 1 Psychopathy is essentially just lack of brain Structure which renders subjects incapable of experiencing many emotions. So yeah, INTJs may have "Psychopathic tendencies" like many other Thinking types, but that doesn't mean anything.

    EDIT 2: This is the test I spoke of https://openpsychometrics.org/tests/LSRP.php. Below is a chart of average MBTI type scores from a sample of a couple of hundred people:

     


    I'm surprised that ENFPs rank so high in secondary psychopathy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgandollar View Post
    I'm surprised that ENFPs rank so high in secondary psychopathy.
    Do you happen to know how they measured for type? I'm always interested in how they determine type in those sorts of studies. While type is returned consistently at a 78% rate on MBTI (the most recent statistic I have seen at least), it's still far from perfected. : )

    Sounds like they were studying antisocial personality disorder perhaps? Psychopaths, in my experience, aren't "mean". I forgot to add I also did a small prison study, but that was for school and nothing at all scientific except that it was directed by a professor and a statistician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brightflashes View Post
    Do you happen to know how they measured for type? I'm always interested in how they determine type in those sorts of studies. While type is returned consistently at a 78% rate on MBTI (the most recent statistic I have seen at least), it's still far from perfected. : )

    Sounds like they were studying antisocial personality disorder perhaps? Psychopaths, in my experience, aren't "mean". I forgot to add I also did a small prison study, but that was for school and nothing at all scientific except that it was directed by a professor and a statistician.
    It was self identified type, and based on a study on Tumblr, but I saw another study that found similar results (ExTPs having the most psychopathic traits, and FJs the least).

    I think primary psychopath relates more to shallow emotions and callous affect (these people aren't necessarily mean or bad like you said, Alex Honnold the mountain climber is a very admirable person and is much like this) while secondary psychopathy relates more to antisocial personality disorder (who are really just people who commit antisocial acts, but are usually dysfunctional neurotypicals rather than genuine psychopaths).

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    Just took the test:
    Primary psychopathy-Higher than 41.38% of people who took the test.

    Secondary psychopathy-Higher than 63.38% of people who took the test.

    Here are some traits associated with primary psychopathy:
    -Superficial charm
    -Grandiose self-image
    -Need for stimulation / being prone to boredom
    -Pathological lying
    -Cunning / manipulative
    -Lack of remorse / guilt
    -Shallow affect / superficial emotions
    -Lack of empathy



    Here are some traits associated with secondary psychopathy:
    -Impulsiveness
    -Lack of realistic long-term goals
    -Juvenile delinquency
    -Irresponsibility
    -Parasitic lifestyle
    -Poor behavioral controls
    -Promiscuity


    I don't identify with primary psychopathy with the exception of being slightly cunning / manipulative at times. My bottom line is: Never do anything to hurt decent individuals. However, if it's a person I find evil and morally detestable, and ESPECIALLY if it's a group or a system that I find not to my liking (and usually I have good reasons), then don't blame me for being remorseless if I do something damaging. In fact, I'd feel it's totally justified and that they probably deserve whatever's come their way. If I myself get hurt, it's a bit easier to control myself. However, if it's someone I love and care about, that's when the vindictive spirit within me is roused and I can act more viciously than I'd be willing to if it was something only concerning myself.


    As for secondary psychopathy, I do have a very impulsive side. I definitely don't believe in a parasitic lifestyle. I believe in being good and doing my best to love, help, and serve. However, if again it's someone / something I find morally detestable, I would not hesitate to give them a taste of their own medicine and that's when anything resembling personal character and decency is shoved aside because I feel like I need to dish out vengeance whether actively or passively. Rules are made to be broken (unless there's a damn good reason to me as to why they should be followed), systems, bureaucracies are oppressive and tyrannical and meant to be challenged. Everything's fair game to me when it comes to acting against someone / something I feel is oppressive towards me and / or a loved one.

    The bottom line is: If I love you, I'd move mountains for you. If I like you, I'd be good and caring and stick up for you. If you're neutral, I'd be decent but no more than that. If I dislike you, I'd try to avoid you. If you do anything to hurt me enough, and especially if you try to hurt a loved one of mine, then don't be surprised if anything happens to you. :)) And that could be anything :))

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    Oh! I get it. You guys are talking about the Levenson scale. I didn't know that was still being used to measure psychopathy. I haven't thought about that one in a long time.

    You know, that test isn't used for diagnostic purposes at ALL. It's only used in research into human affect.


     
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