I have a theory: INFPs are less common than INFJs, INTPs are less common than INTJs

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    I have a theory: INFPs are less common than INFJs, INTPs are less common than INTJs

    I am basing this off of existing frameworks, and anecdotal experience. Take it as you will. I was prompted to think about this in depth by INTJ/INFJ aquantainces that both told me about the rarity of their type within the first minute of discussing MBTI :P

    ISTPs and ISFPs are rarer than ISTJs and ISFJs, and no one appears to dispute this at all. This makes sense sociologically and follows the base theory of MBTI and related personality systems. P types are the “innovators”, too many P types in a society would cause it to fall into chaos because they are less aware of the true nature of reality (they have to be or they would lose their idealism and desire to improve.)

    The statistics for MBTI distribution are unreliable because the testing methods used to collect the data are not robust (and this is part of why psychologists have outright rejected MBTI as valid... which is pretty sad because MBTI/functional stacks can be so insightful) people idealise intuitive, deep thinking (introversion) and prospecting cognition and unconsciously answer questions in ways that do not reflect their true self, but their idealized version of themselves. Even in people who are honest with themselves, aware of themselves... the questions are still only interpreting behaviour. Behaviour has too many external influences to accurately measure internal cognition. so you end up with a lot of fake INTJ/INFJs but even more fake INTPs and INFPs.

    I noticed that INTJs/INFJs seem to identify with their "label" more than any type, want it to feel special/meaningful, and are more aware than other types when someone is mis-categorised as their respective type. They are also seemingly the most VOCAL about these observations. It is a lot harder to be a fake INxJ on the internet than a fake INxP.

    INFP/INTPs are more carefree about people labeling themselves, won't really call you out if they think it's inaccurate because they aren't interested in defending their position or enforcing correct labels and aren't as concerned with others being incorrect.

    So you end up with a bunch of INFPs/INTPs online that are actually ISTPs/ISFPs. The latter two personality types are the most intuitive S types so it can be hard to differentiate for most. A lot of media online that comes from INTPs/INFPs is not actually reflective of INxPs, and this feeds into the misguided beliefs and understanding people have about these types and makes them seem a lot more prevalent than they actually are.
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    Search google for the distribution of MBTI Types In the US by Gender and Ethnic Group. It's only sample that can't be claimed to be biased in some respect. It was undertaken because of the discrepancies in other studies. It took sample's from the general public across 27 US states in 1990. So before the internet got into households, which is significant for your concerns.

    NJ's are still the least common types.

    If you were to round figures, you could argue there are as many INFP's as INTJ's. Thats as much as you can close the gap. INFJ's are 1 in 38 & ENFJ's are 1 in 40. INFP's are 1 in 23 & INTP's are 1 in 19.

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    The internet component is more referring to the perception online specifically, not about statistics. The statistics are still not accurate because questions that measure behaviour will never be accurate reads of internal cognition, and that's assuming every answer is answered with complete clarity and understanding.
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    People who take the MBTI tests have never really thought about the questions presented, nor are they interested in the results. Even if they are interested in results, and thought carefully about the questions, they still do not compare themselves on a relative scale to other people they know. These factors lead to questionable results, hence the need for visual typing. Personality is simply the difference between people, which is how poeple can tell each other apart, so to identify people by their personality through the visual method is entirely valid.

    The visual form of identification, or visual typing, is not suitable for everyone, though for someone like me, an INFJ, SoCom, Claircognizance-Clairgustance, hands-on learner, Energy being, Mental-primary Self-secondary Emotionally directed person, it's just what's needed for me to "function" in society.

    I have created a website, which shows visual typing in action: https://mbti-typings.my-free.website

    It might be that certain types appear to certain people more often, depending on that person's direction in life, or it might just be that they (certain types) are more noticed when a person reaches a certain development level. Though according to the website that's made, INTP/ISTP and INFP/ISFP are relatively rare compared to INFJ/INTJ.
    Last edited by Sparky; 08-18-2019 at 07:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoboomafoo View Post

    ISTPs and ISFPs are rarer than ISTJs and ISFJs, and no one appears to dispute this at all. This makes sense sociologically and follows the base theory of MBTI and related personality systems. P types are the “innovators”, too many P types in a society would cause it to fall into chaos because they are less aware of the true nature of reality (they have to be or they would lose their idealism and desire to improve.)
    this isn't the main point but I wanted to address this
    I would say it's rather the opposite in the bolded, if anything. Or rather, P types have a positive relation with the world, they see potential in it and hence the will to improve is born out of this. You have this a bit backwards. Even by Jung's original theory, having extraverted perception creates the desire to change oneself, while the introverted wants to change the environment to protect and validate the self, so he has a more selective perception and is afraid of change.
    Your conclusion seems to stem from some kind of personal idea it seems to me, which I don't agree with.

    I agree that many Ns online are actually S, mostly because of the way this dichotomy is tested. But I don't think introvert intuitives are more common, it's just that many of the INTJs and INFJs are S too and not really perceiving doms either. MBTI tests only for dichotomies, not function dominance, so someone can score a type that supposedly has the N function dominant but their personal score has N lowest, for example, and they might not notice or care for that detail. In short, many INTJs and INFJs are T/F doms, too.

    Also, in theory, introverted intuition is somewhat paradoxical, so I doubt NIs can be more numerous. Introversion is not deep thinking, or not being social, not how Jung defined it, at least. Introversion is the defensive adaptational strategy drive, the urge to protect oneself against the environment and the fear of change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoboomafoo View Post
    The internet component is more referring to the perception online specifically, not about statistics. The statistics are still not accurate because questions that measure behaviour will never be accurate reads of internal cognition, and that's assuming every answer is answered with complete clarity and understanding.
    Internal cognition has nothing to do with MBTI type when it comes to testing. It has everything to do with reporting one's preferences. Each dichotomy is tested for preference and it's only afterward that the MBTI - the actual instrument - applies the cognitive function. MBTI's only difference between an INXP and an INXJ are the P/J dichotomies, essentially.

    However, if one is speaking of Jungian typology, there are no 16 types; there are 8: Ni, Ne, Si, Se, Fi, Fe, Ti, & Te. The probability of a person actually being an Ni type vs an Fi type (as in, this is their most differentiated function) is very low as Ni types are described as almost entirely removed from their environments.

    I'm not certain exactly how the MBTI was administered in 1990 compared to today, but I do know that the Grant Stack was applied in 1985, so even the original MBTI stacking was abandoned.

    Now, here's the *real* question, in my mind: Why the heck does anyone even care about which one is the most rare? Surely personality type distribution are dynamic from generation to generation based on the needs, pressures, technology, etc ... of the times. If someone, within 60 seconds, tells you their personality type and then that they're the most rare type, just run away from them. Someone with that much self-inflation isn't worth your time.
    Last edited by brightflashes; 08-21-2019 at 06:46 AM.
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    I would hope there are less infjs since it's really difficult to be one.

    As for infps, I would hope there aren't less because I really like them.

    As for intps, I think there are more than expected in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Backandyeow View Post
    I would hope there are less infjs since it's really difficult to be one.
    I was going to say something similar about INTJs, too, but didn't want to be perceived as over-reaching. Especially since - apparently - INTJs are glamorised on this forum? (Idk, it's what people keep saying in random threads lately) And THAT I really don't get. I think they're gramorising a stereotype that has grown larger than INXJ rather than the type themselves.

    Being an Ni type is like constantly being bewildered by everything one experiences. Why anyone would want to be one is beyond comprehension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brightflashes View Post
    I was going to say something similar about INTJs, too, but didn't want to be perceived as over-reaching. Especially since - apparently - INTJs are glamorised on this forum? (Idk, it's what people keep saying in random threads lately) And THAT I really don't get. I think they're gramorising a stereotype that has grown larger than INXJ rather than the type themselves.

    Being an Ni type is like constantly being bewildered by everything one experiences. Why anyone would want to be one is beyond comprehension.
    Yeah being an Ni dominant is not very practical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoboomafoo View Post
    P types are the “innovators”, too many P types in a society would cause it to fall into chaos because they are less aware of the true nature of reality (they have to be or they would lose their idealism and desire to improve.)
    Idealism does not have anything in particular to do with Perceiving. Maybe you are thinking of Intuition? Your reasoning is very faulty.
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