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    INFJ


    Rasputin -- ENFP?

    This is somewhat random, but does anyone else believe that Grigori Rasputin (yes, that Rasputin) was an ENFP?

    I was at a bookstore today and I picked up one of the biographies for him, and in the few pages I read he was described as being...

    1. Overtly inquisitive and somewhat intrusive -- He apparently got on a duchess' bad side upon meeting her by asking questions that she considered to be much too personal (e.g: "What is your marriage like?", "Are you happy with your life?"). This in particular struck me as being very ENFPish.

    2. Very good with children and particularly adept at earning their trust

    3. Capable of making his way into circles that he conventionally shouldn't have been in

    4. Promiscuous (I know that this is generally considered to be an EP thing, but it at least swings the argument in that direction)

    5. Proficient at seducing women with spirituality and whatnot

    I know that not every ENFP does these things or acts this way, obviously, but I believe that these traits and behaviors altogether paint an ENFP. Does anyone agree?

    ** Disclaimer: I'm not trying to say that ENFPs are scandalous, deviant people. I adore ENFPs (I'm dating one).
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    Pretty sure he was some kind of ExxP anyway, or at least definitely came off like one. I often see him typed as an INFJ, but the arguments for that seem to center entirely around the usual "oh, he's all mystical so he must be an INFJ". No.

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by zosio913 View Post
    This is somewhat random, but does anyone else believe that Grigori Rasputin (yes, that Rasputin) was an ENFP?

    I was at a bookstore today and I picked up one of the biographies for him, and in the few pages I read he was described as being...

    1. Overtly inquisitive and somewhat intrusive -- He apparently got on a duchess' bad side upon meeting her by asking questions that she considered to be much too personal (e.g: "What is your marriage like?", "Are you happy with your life?"). This in particular struck me as being very ENFPish.

    2. Very good with children and particularly adept at earning their trust

    3. Capable of making his way into circles that he conventionally shouldn't have been in

    4. Promiscuous (I know that this is generally considered to be an EP thing, but it at least swings the argument in that direction)

    5. Proficient at seducing women with spirituality and whatnot

    I know that not every ENFP does these things or acts this way, obviously, but I believe that these traits and behaviors altogether paint an ENFP. Does anyone agree?

    ** Disclaimer: I'm not trying to say that ENFPs are scandalous, deviant people. I adore ENFPs (I'm dating one).
    I don't think that Rasputin was an ENFP and I don't think this list is a compelling argument for him being one. 5 in particular seems distinctly at odds with any description of ENFP that I am aware of.... which typical describe them as focused on authenticity and genuineness. Manipulating women with spirituality? There is a decently long list of types I'd expect this from before ENFP.

    Lots of types are good with kids and I wouldn't put ENFP high on a list of them... (or low, I guess). All ExxPs are probably better than average at getting into places (or circles) they shouldn't be.

    I don't think that ENFPs are necessarily particularly intrusive.... at least not so distinctly above others that it would be usable in typing.

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    I could get into this in a much more robust way if we were to discuss this in context of functions, but since this is in the MBTI subforum, I'll refrain.

    In the context of MBTI, though, I think that whether or not he was an ENFP, you've not offered much distinct evidence toward it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arkigos View Post
    I don't think that Rasputin was an ENFP and I don't think this list is a compelling argument for him being one. 5 in particular seems distinctly at odds with any description of ENFP that I am aware of.... which typical describe them as focused on authenticity and genuineness. Manipulating women with spirituality? There is a decently long list of types I'd expect this from before ENFP.

    Lots of types are good with kids and I wouldn't put ENFP high on a list of them... (or low, I guess). All ExxPs are probably better than average at getting into places (or circles) they shouldn't be.

    I don't think that ENFPs are necessarily particularly intrusive.... at least not so distinctly above others that it would be usable in typing.

    ----

    I could get into this in a much more robust way if we were to discuss this in context of functions, but since this is in the MBTI subforum, I'll refrain.

    In the context of MBTI, though, I think that whether or not he was an ENFP, you've not offered much distinct evidence toward it.
    I agree that what I said wasn't exactly damning evidence, I never considered it to be. This was more for the sake of throwing some ideas around and seeing what consensus I would get. Thanks for your input.
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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Here's random:

    Who's the Rattattak?

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    Personally, I disagree, and I am ok in typing him as an INFJ. Here's why:

    What's the first thing about Rasputin? He is a mystic. People read his speeches and feels that this man has got a plan, that he understand, that he knows what to do.
    Ne is not this "self confident", and if it's higher, it's not even it's desire to be self confident and know if the step putted is safe. This because extroverted perceptive are gathering information from external reality, while introverted ones are focused on what this experience means and, generally, abstract it.
    A simple example: I read the cards to my friend. My Ni saw the pics, abstracted them and, adding Se mixed the significance up. It came out "the devil" but her boyfriend is very caring...what then? Well, the devil is the symbol of the destruction, Not for anything, it has got an upside down pentacle under his foot. Destruction in a couple of lovers means betrayal...but whit the reversed ace of pentacles, which mean economical loss, this may also mean a ruthless and rebel life, all drink and sex.
    But did I vocalize all this reasonment? No, I just said "the devil and the pentacle's ace tells me that you'd dissipate your money with him". Normally, my previsions are rather accepted (and people remains stunned) because I yet plan a good line and people feel this line so good that they stick at it.
    Few days ago, I made a plot for a contest and the only thing my classmates needed to change is to cancel the ending, which I did for peace's sake.
    Now, take my ex theatre teacher (ENFP): she throw us the theme (the slay of seventeen partisans) and let us say "guys, write the idea!". Every idea was accepted and, if anything, reshaped for get linked to the other. The whole act, though, is a collage of scenes. You can see a true plot? Nope, just this two stories without a clear back-line.

    Rasputin is known for his hypnotizing ability. Hypnosis requires to be DREADFULLY selfconfident: who are you going to convince, if you don't believe in yourself at first? Ni gave him the knowledge about the environment and his evolution and what to say in each situation.
    For more, his low Se is a better explanation than low Si for his taste for lust. You see, Si searches internal homoeostasis. And when Si is low, there's a tendency of disregard past, known methods of doing things. There's very few interest into "settle down", to find a routine, for how much reckless may it be. My ENFP friend JC is basically a forever single, but he made of this lifestyle a kinda of routine. He is now the forever single.
    Low Se is different: it's the uneasiness on real world, in seeing things as they are in the moment and so be unable to deal with sensorial pleasure (both engaging them exaggeratedly or dismissing them (Savonarola, anyone?) ). And that's the point with Rasputin: he alternates moment of total asceticism and moment of lavishness.

    After this, I actually evaluated the possibility of an INTJ...but I fell in the same error of when I type myself.
    I sometimes seem to be an Fi user because I don't systematically fit with the society where I am. I'm gay and I'm proud of it...but I choose who talk about it, and who "lie" to. Fe is interested in the repercussion of his behaviour on other people (contextualized behaviour), he knows that doing some way will affect his social role. Similarly he does to the others; when I call off people, I always stress how this behaviour influences the others ("you'll hurt him!" "you'll be seen as a cheater" and so on).
    Fi instead cares to how his behaviour fits his own morality and instead cares on the PRACTICAL results of his behaviour.
    the INTJ will betray his mate because betrayal is right for him (Fi) and will try to find the way (Te), the INFJ will betray his mate because it's logical betray him (Ti) and will find a moral excuse (Fe).

    Now, you know the story of the Zarevic Alexander, no?
    In few words, this little pookie was haemophiliac, this means that a cut was cause of a several haemorrhage.
    Once, he had a bruise and so there was the risk of his death.
    Suddenly the czarina called Rasputin, who was with his family, believing that his powers worked also wireless.
    He didn't say anything except "Keep calm, the zarevic will be well".
    Instead of judge his behaviour externally (and so find the Te rudeness), reason on his internal vision.
    He vocalized not a thoght ("the zarevic has got a pelipipsicosis picicocosis, so do this this and that") but a feeling. He cooled souls, he calmed people...and solved the problem.

    This seems to me enough for tag him as an INFJ.
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    Unknown

    Quote Originally Posted by zosio913 View Post
    This is somewhat random, but does anyone else believe that Grigori Rasputin (yes, that Rasputin) was an ENFP?
    I believe him to be the most stereotyped INTJ (in Jungian terms) in History

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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    He was definitely Ni dominant, he was more skilled predicting general trends into the future than examining what-ifs. He accurately predicted Alexei Romanov would survive his bleeding episode if his caretakers relaxed because he knew if he relaxed it would slow his bleeding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zosio913 View Post
    1. Overtly inquisitive and somewhat intrusive -- He apparently got on a duchess' bad side upon meeting her by asking questions that she considered to be much too personal (e.g: "What is your marriage like?", "Are you happy with your life?"). This in particular struck me as being very ENFPish.
    (just a side thing): Both myself and an sx INFJ buddy of mine on this site are intrusive like this. Usually the first thing I do when I'm one-on-one with someone: cut off chit-chat, see how far there is to go. I've made many people uncomfortable with my questions and he has too.
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    ENFP - The Inspirers


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