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This is a discussion on Other Subtypes (NP, NJ, ST, SF) within the Myers Briggs Forum forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; At PerC there's the subtypes: NT - Intellects, NF - Dreamers, ect. So I was wondering if there were other ...

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Other Subtypes (NP, NJ, ST, SF)

    At PerC there's the subtypes: NT - Intellects, NF - Dreamers, ect.
    So I was wondering if there were other subtypes for the SFs and STs and others.
    So if there were subtypes for those, what would you call them?



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    ENFJ - The Givers

    I'd say:

    -NT (Rationals)
    -NF (Idealists)
    -SF
    -ST (Doers)


    I left SF blank because I really don't know how to label them.
    an INTP friend of mine called them "animals" LOL!

    He meant it in the most positive way possible though. Not savage. But follow what they feel and what they sense. Not based on any ideals or whatever.

    Instinctuals? I'm not sure how I would word it.

    we came up with "artists" at first, but then i realised i know many SF types and they're totally not artistic at all.

    perhaps "supporters".

    No offense meant towards the SF types. I honestly don't know how to label you guys.

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    ISFP - The Artists

    as an SP who would be an SF in your list, I might call SFs "Fixers". As in, we see a need, we need to help someone or fix something so everyone is happy or fulfilled, etc.
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    ISFP - The Artists

    OOOOH! Instinctual!!! I love it! That very much sounds like me! (especially in regards to the way I've parented my child. the word "instinct" just feels very indirectly/directly related to parenting, which has been a major focus of mine. I kind of liken my parenting to what a mother would have done a few thousand years ago, before people started giving advice. :P)
    Yes, I agree. :)
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    ISTJ - The Duty Fulfillers

    @Ho316 your idea of SF's doesn't seem to fit SFJ's at all. The Instinctual label seems more like Se to me. But supporters or fixers seems like it could apply to most of us, maybe?

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    ENFJ - The Givers

    Perhaps I understand the SF types least.

    ESFJ "caregiver"
    ISFJ "nurturer"

    are both very support types. believers of tradition, laws and strong sense of duty

    ISFP "artist"
    ESFP "performer"

    both seem to be entertainer types. providing or producing support in their own ways.

    i'm not sure. to me the SF types seem very in touch with their instincts which they gather from their sensing/feeling.

    they care not for abstract theologies, theories, and constructs, and act first based on feeling and see the results, rather than going through something like the scientific method.

    that's my take on it.
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    Well the I/E SFP and I/E SFJ are complete opposites in use of primary functions. Grouping them together will yield very little commonality. As for NJ's or NP's, I suspect the actual order of primary functions also takes large role. For instance, an INTP and INFP both share Ne, but both are playing off completely different (maybe even opposite) logical functions: Fi and Ti, and so instead of being similar, the Fi vs. Ti difference is a bit amplified.

    Interesting question, but the official answer to "if there are different subtypes" is no, given your context. Of course there are other non-related subtypes (Enneagram for instance), but not any that correlate directly to MBTI that I am aware of.

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    ISFP - The Artists


    SFs and STs share nothing in terms of Jungian functions. As a matter of fact, neither do NFs or NTs. These were temperaments invented by David Keirsey, who saw the nature of Se being most essential to SPs and Si most essential to the nature of SJs (basically, he didn't call it that, but yes, "making an impact" and prizing being "bold, audacious, artistic, etc." is pretty much describing Se, as well as SJs and their need to conserve and create structure with Si/Je or Je/Si.)

    Apparently he viewed NFs as commonly sharing diplomacy and humanitarian works, although they technically share no functions. Same with NTs and "intellectual" or "academic" thinking.

    @Ho316 have you ever heard of Jean-Jacques Rousseau? The philosopher? ISFP. To say that SFs have no ideals is entirely absurd, though Se/Fi and Fi/Se types are more likely to value intense personal impact, so the "animal" nature you are seeing is probably SFPs...but to say we lack ideals is absolutely bizarre. There are also a lot of ESFJ political pundits.

    I agree that SFs are primarily "fixers" though, it does make sense. We see a concrete need, and fill it, like giving people advice or cooking them dinner or whatever. SFs do also seem inclined in some capacities to be artists because of their feeling and sensory nature, but not always.
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    ISFP - The Artists


    Quote Originally Posted by Mokek Kwe View Post
    OOOOH! Instinctual!!! I love it! That very much sounds like me! (especially in regards to the way I've parented my child. the word "instinct" just feels very indirectly/directly related to parenting, which has been a major focus of mine. I kind of liken my parenting to what a mother would have done a few thousand years ago, before people started giving advice. :P)
    Yes, I agree. :)
    I agree with this, though not specifically as a parent. Even Rousseau essentially argued for a more natural state of man.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    How about TJ TP FJ and FP ?

    TJ = ISTJ,INTJ,ENTJ,ESTJ. Primary or secondary Te.
    TP = ISTP,INTP,ENTP,ESTP. Primary or secondary Ti.
    FJ = ISFJ,INFJ,ENFJ,ESFJ. Primary or secondary Fe.
    FP = ISFP,INFP,ENFP,ESFP. Primary or secondary Fi.

    We just need to give some interesting names to the categories and we are done.

    TJ = I AM THE LAW.
    TP = Theory.
    FJ = Socialites.
    FP = Artists.

    Meh, does not work as well as NT, NF, SJ and SF.
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