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    The search for awesome analogies for Jungian Functions-- all types welcome.

    I believe most N's learn best through symbolism and analogy, I do anyway. What are some of the best analogies you have thought of or that you have found for your functions in the order that you have them. Since I'd dearly love to understand all of the functions, all types are very welcome.

    The Garden/Gardens Analogy

    Here is my analogy about Fi aux in an ENFP:

    Fi aux is like having your own garden inside of a wall and listening and empathizing is like going to visit someone else's garden inside their wall, and when you get a clear understanding of what is going on for them, it's like: "Wow, this is not like my garden at all. I've never planted irises and I like what you've done with those irises! Do you like dahlias? I see some weeds over there and I bet dahlias would look just great there if you like them!." and sometimes the experience is "Those roses right there remind me of my garden-- and you've got lily of the valley too! Actually our gardens are so much alike! I feel right at home! Which one is your favorite rose? You have a maple tree too! "

    I think this is a great analogy because this feels exactly like what it is I'm doing. I see what they like and don't like, what they have going on in their lives, potential and challenging or empty places. i listen to what they would like in their garden and give suggestions if I feel it's wanted and warranted but then I also admire and praise and am interested in our differences to learn from and delight in, and I also can recognize when people and I are the same and that feels really comfortable and delightful too-- but I need the differences for wonder and awe and exploration and growth and new ideas for my own garden.

    So for me I want to be visiting people's gardens and get inside that wall where it is deeply meaningful to me. This is pretty much a perfect analogy for me, anyway. If I find pretty much only weeds and the person is not interested in planting anything else then that's it-- not somewhere I'm going to want to go back to. But if someone starts planting and we can plant together then I will go back and check on them and admire and encourage. This is pretty perfect for me-- this is what I do in my job as well. Like this is perfect to understand exactly what it feels like for me. It gives me new ideas and things to be thankful for and then I get to go home (I actually feel a twinge of restful Si saying so) to tend my very own garden also with it's particular challenges and also with it's comfortable particular tangle of beauty.

    I THINK but I don't KNOW if this describes INFP's Fi. If so, I would think that the difference would be in how much they want to venture out to other's gardens. I just realized something too about why INFPs might be the best listeners. The better you know your own garden the bigger differences you could notice between yours and others.
    Fi-dom I asked my INFP husband who immediately understood this analogy and he says, "I don't feel a need to venture to other gardens, if I do it's gonna be brief, but I'm more concerned about protecting my garden from who might want to come in. Are they gonna think my garden is cool or are they gonna shit on my garden? You know what I hate is if someone says you've got to change this and wants to start changing things."

    The worry about being imposed on had not even crossed my mind. I was much more focused on getting chances to visit other's gardens... I'm other to there's or I might talk about aspects of my garden. It's really rare that someone gets to come see my garden with opportunities to judge it... so much so that I hadn't even thought to worry about it. I'm too busy out with other people's gardens to even host very often in my own.

    I would think that Fe would be like walking in a forest and breathing the air. If the air is polluted you have to build a wall. But @wums says Fe is more like a community garden or an archaeology dig with many groups working on their corner and likely a group the Fe person is in. In my analogy there weren't even actual people in Fe.

    Can you expand? Does this analogy work for you? How do think this analogy works for your Fi or Fe? What other analogies have you seen or come up with?
    What about all of the functions?



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    @Llyralen That's an interesting analogy, I'd say that each Fi level has a different level of maintenance. Fi auxs have tropical plants and shrubs and trees while Fi doms have delicate flowers planted across the beds, inferior Fi users just have clean-cut grass.

    I can tolerate only a certain amount of Fe intrusion in the garden, inferior and tert Fe are just brief visitors, inspecting, appreciating or contemplating the views and plants, with Fe terts having a closer look and understanding the design better. Fe aux's are the ones that enter the garden and feel like it's their ideal design, appreciating the placement of every plant. Fe doms are the ones that are so passionate about gardening that they might try to displace some of the plants in order to "make the design better", and that's where I tend to back away and find it intruding.

    Fi users are like neighbors comparing and giving advice to each others gardens, each person takes the other on a tour to visit their garden, To me Fi doms have such a well kept garden, all with their own touch, Fi aux's are more overgrown and simple in design, yet offer views that the garden of Fi doms will avoid having, but other Fi auxs just love and appreciate and want to get advice on the design. Fi terts have an even simpler design with main points of interest, some central trees of their favorite kind planted in a specific manner, yet, those trees are sacred. Inferior Fi users just like to have their gardens simple, with any neighbor offering advice to plant something else being dismissed, since they don't like plants.

    lol this went into much more detail than I expected. I enjoyed improvising my way through it, great analogy!

    The expedition analogy - Ne

    Ne could be seen as a vehicle to travel into the unknown, symbolizing the advancement of technology with which further and more unstable environments could be explored with.

    Ne inf: Are like a tribe, going on foot and settling in a place they find most comfortable, sometimes going into ventures into the jungle but eventually coming back to the same place.

    Ne tert: Medieval knights on horses, visiting different castles and conquering nearby lands, go through forests but ultimately return to their lodges.

    Ne aux: A pirate crew, drifting across the ocean, being mostly by themselves and enjoying the stillness of the waters waters while occasionally anchoring on different islands to explore jungles, barter, negotiate or raid cities and towns.

    Ne dom
    : An interstellar starship, maneuvering through different worlds in a short amount of time, when visiting a new planet they can just fly their way around it to see what it's all about and frequently land to explore it more in depth to find new species or experience sceneries. They have their favorite planets that they visit based on what these planets offer them. Can stay in space but ultimately need stations to dock in for a refill.

    I love this thread, by far my favorite yet.

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    I adore your idea here. The garden is a wonderful explanation.
    How does it make you feel if someone visits you with invasive weed seeds sticking to their pant legs? Do you notice while they're there, or does it present to you after the fact?


    To me, aux Fe is like going to watch a movie at the theatre.
    It's intentional, you sign up to go (socialize with people), and you think you have a reasonable idea of what to expect... But once you're there, the experience is immersive. You may even completely forget who you are and what was happening in your day before walking in.
    Everything is so big on the screen, so loud, and modern movies are great at evoking strong feelings. You experience and feel along with the characters, but sometimes you feel more at them (aka "Ugh, I hate that guy" or "Nooo, don't do that!").
    For as long as you're in the theatre, your world becomes whatever their world is. Outside of the theatre, people would never (err, rarely?) exclaim "No, kill him faster!" while trembling on the edge of their seats, but now they do because they fear along with the character.
    Just like that, when aux Fe remembers back to something they said or did in the moment (because they were riding along with someone's feelings), it can be cringeworthy and disconcerting. Hello, alien alternate universe where I supposedly felt x about y! Where did you come from? You were true in the moment, but before & after you're not!

    It's like a takeover of your own brain... sometimes that can be frightening, something to guard against. Sometimes it can be enlivening and change your perspective in a happy kind of surprise.

    Some movies are awesome(!) giving you a great experience (just like some people somehow make your life better by their energy alone, it can be addictive)... and some are awful and sooo booring that you keep wondering if you should leave yet and if you can get a refund?

    But if you visit the theatre frequently, then like a film critic, gaining experience can lend a certain callousness / discernment / jadedness / analytical mentality, that serves to buffer you from the mental takeover effect, it can yield healthier decisions and better boundaries, but it also robs some of the joy of watching (socializing) in the first place.
    After that form of growth, rarely you may see a trailer for something you're a fan of (Oh, my sweet Star Trek!), so you get all giddy like a preteen fangirl and everyone ends up knowing because everyone hears about it, so you go on to have a great time... but much later on, you realize how silly you acted and that jaded film critics like you shouldn't be getting excited about people things. Because people always do their own thing, and you know you don't have any right to demand the theatre play one movie over & over & over just for your unending enjoyment.
    Ugh, everything becomes boring again as you retreat to your own quiet house where there's nothing to watch, and you don't really feel much of anything without stimulation. But soon enough you like it again - the peace & quiet, the reliability of your own familiar thoughts.
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    @Sour Roses the awesome analogy of the Fe-aux movie theater belonged in this thread! It seems pretty water-tight. How would you think it would apply to a Fe-dom?

    You know, I hadn't even thought about people messing up my garden and it was something my INFP husband immediately thought about with his. As soon as the analogy was out of my mouth he immediately said, "I don't want people coming in my garden and judging it and shitting on it." So because I hadn't even thought of that aspect (heehee, I'm proud that the analogy held up to all parts of Fi) then I had to think about WHY I hadn't thought of that and why there is really like no fear there for me?

    1. I really don't "host" in my garden much, I'm usually just over at somebody else's garden (but often talking about my garden... )or I'm in my garden alone wishing I was visiting other gardens.
    2. Hardly anybody knows my negative stuff, basically. I might only briefly show a visitor a well-tended area. I guess Fi-dom and Fi-aux guard ourselves in two different ways. Me by distraction--you have weed seeds? Well lets march over to your garden and see what's happening, shall we? Fi -dom by actually being in their garden most of the time guarding it.

    3. I don't easily feel tainted or influenced, the walls on the gardens don't merge and aren't adjacent to anything. My roses are healthy and thriving. Weed seed won't do much damage here. When this analogy came to me it came to me with a Rapunzel tower and the only way to the garden is to be lowered by rope or hair. I think that really if my garden isn't looking gorgeous in all areas its because I'm not spending enough time doing routine care-taking tasks. Like....that I need to get to sleep.
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    ENFP

    @Sour Roses which aspect would you say influences how much you like "a movie" in the long run - the story, characters, or the genre?
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    Here are some amusing ones:

    Ti is a nerdy basement dweller who lives with his wholesome Fe mother for foods and cheap emotional connections.

    Fi is a teenaged daughter of Te business daddy who he spoils his daughter with anything she wants (or more precisely, demand).

    Se is a jocky son that does not heed the warnings (or does, depends on context) of his mysterious Ni parent.

    Ne is a forever child that (occasionally) listens in the wisdom and experience of the stern Si parent.

    Ti is like a knife: it is precise and doesn't (usually) make any broad statement. Te is like a hammer: it slams down with force and is blunt.

    Ti and Ne make a Swiss army knife for various possibilities. Ti and Se make a combat sword for precision combined with strong force.

    Te and Ni make a hammer that is future-proof and is useful for reaching to any future event with grace.

    Te and Si make a hammer that is millennia-old but still going strong due to experience.

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    In the same vein, this is always the list that made me laugh the hardest:

    https://www.personalitycafe.com/myer...ach-rules.html
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    @Sour Roses I'd love it if you posted your paintings analogy, if you'd like to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fru2 View Post
    @Llyralen That's an interesting analogy, I'd say that each Fi level has a different level of maintenance. Fi auxs have tropical plants and shrubs and trees while Fi doms have delicate flowers planted across the beds, inferior Fi users just have clean-cut grass.

    I can tolerate only a certain amount of Fe intrusion in the garden, inferior and tert Fe are just brief visitors, inspecting, appreciating or contemplating the views and plants, with Fe terts having a closer look and understanding the design better. Fe aux's are the ones that enter the garden and feel like it's their ideal design, appreciating the placement of every plant. Fe doms are the ones that are so passionate about gardening that they might try to displace some of the plants in order to "make the design better", and that's where I tend to back away and find it intruding.

    Fi users are like neighbors comparing and giving advice to each others gardens, each person takes the other on a tour to visit their garden, To me Fi doms have such a well kept garden, all with their own touch, Fi aux's are more overgrown and simple in design, yet offer views that the garden of Fi doms will avoid having, but other Fi auxs just love and appreciate and want to get advice on the design. Fi terts have an even simpler design with main points of interest, some central trees of their favorite kind planted in a specific manner, yet, those trees are sacred. Inferior Fi users just like to have their gardens simple, with any neighbor offering advice to plant something else being dismissed, since they don't like plants.

    lol this went into much more detail than I expected. I enjoyed improvising my way through it, great analogy!

    The expedition analogy - Ne

    Ne could be seen as a vehicle to travel into the unknown, symbolizing the advancement of technology with which further and more unstable environments could be explored with.

    Ne inf: Are like a tribe, going on foot and settling in a place they find most comfortable, sometimes going into ventures into the jungle but eventually coming back to the same place.

    Ne tert: Medieval knights on horses, visiting different castles and conquering nearby lands, go through forests but ultimately return to their lodges.

    Ne aux: A pirate crew, drifting across the ocean, being mostly by themselves and enjoying the stillness of the waters waters while occasionally anchoring on different islands to explore jungles, barter, negotiate or raid cities and towns.

    Ne dom
    : An interstellar starship, maneuvering through different worlds in a short amount of time, when visiting a new planet they can just fly their way around it to see what it's all about and frequently land to explore it more in depth to find new species or experience sceneries. They have their favorite planets that they visit based on what these planets offer them. Can stay in space but ultimately need stations to dock in for a refill.

    I love this thread, by far my favorite yet.
    Hey Fru, I'm reading these over. I love the descriptions for inferior to dominant Ne!
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    I tried to tentatively explain one day an Fe vs Fi via analogy in an older thread :


    Do you enter an orchestra you adhered to, by playing the part the orchestra need you to play and check if necessary that no one perturbs the piece played ? Or do you keep playing your own tune and don't mind what the others play ?

    Which one is Fe and Fi ? Or is it even a good analogy for Fe/Fi ?

    I relate to your point here @Llyralen :

    2. Hardly anybody knows my negative stuff, basically. I might only briefly show a visitor a well-tended area. I guess Fi-dom and Fi-aux guard ourselves in two different ways. Me by distraction--you have weed seeds? Well lets march over to your garden and see what's happening, shall we? Fi -dom by actually being in their garden most of the time guarding it.
    Usually about how I feel when negative, I simply joke around it, and downplay it if I can't simply ignore it.
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