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This is a discussion on The NF God within the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers forums, part of the Keirsey Temperament Forums category; I'm more on line with Sparky here. ~~ God or a type of creator/being who controls all is incomprehensible for ...

  1. #41

    I'm more on line with Sparky here.

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    God or a type of creator/being who controls all is incomprehensible for some people or hard to understand why some "bad" decisions of made, from lack of understanding of context or whatever else. People criticize what they do not understand, well, sometimes. It is hard for us beings whom seem to be mortal and limited to this physical life to try and comprehend an omnipresent immortal being and its will.
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  2. #42

    But overall, God is love, God is about love. People have a hard time understanding the elements of God's "tough love" though.

  3. #43
    INFP - The Idealists

    Quote Originally Posted by Llyralen View Post
    This will likely be a sensitive topic.

    Do you think different MBTI types view God very differently based on their values?
    Do you feel like 2 people will hear the same sermon or talk or scripture and get vastly different ideas about the nature of God?

    Do you feel like your God favors mercy? Do you feel like another’s version of God puts more emphasis on judgement or even punitive methods or all the “shalt nots” or ceremonies?

    What do you see and experience compared to others hearing the same messages about values as you? What do you feel others experience?

    I feel like maybe everyone reframes messages to fit their worldview.
    Yes. I'm sure personality does influence your interpretation and what you focus on. But I think this can be sort of 'muddled' with the religious culture you're in as well - different societies, different church denominations etc. will emphasize different things, and that may clash with or encourage your own personal inclinations. I think sometimes different people may look like they have very different ideas about God, and both may be right because they are each only focusing on certain aspects of the truth.

    My INTJ best friend and I have fairly similar church background, but we definitely focus on different aspects of God and the messages in the Bible. I'm much more focused on God's love, mercy, and beautiful creativity, while she tends to cringe at 'soft mushy' things and has an attitude of "life isn't supposed to be easy", but she focuses on how God will help strengthen you through adversity and use those hardships to make you a better person.

    I definitely agree with Sour Roses that understanding scripture requires study of the culture and language in which it was written, and that different translations can make a big difference in how people understand it - on top of their personal biases.
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  5. #44

    Quote Originally Posted by Aelthwyn View Post
    My INTJ best friend and I have fairly similar church background, but we definitely focus on different aspects of God and the messages in the Bible. I'm much more focused on God's love, mercy, and beautiful creativity, while she tends to cringe at 'soft mushy' things and has an attitude of "life isn't supposed to be easy", but she focuses on how God will help strengthen you through adversity and use those hardships to make you a better person.

    I definitely agree with Sour Roses that understanding scripture requires study of the culture and language in which it was written, and that different translations can make a big difference in how people understand it - on top of their personal biases.
    Where's the soft mushy stuff?

    Yeah, the Greeks had four words for love, and it's not the mushy one that God is described as being.

  6. #45
    INFJ

    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    Preface:

    INFJ/ENFJ- please don't ask me what these people think about. Even when they open up and explain their thoughts to me, I do not follow. Like the NFPs, they seem to do quite well in their ability to develop a relationship with God and are able to adapt their values more readily than most.
    HA HA HA! We can't even follow our own thoughts! I'm always trying to explain to MYSELF WTF it is that I believe! All is know is that it is WEIRD as hell.
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  7. #46

    Quote Originally Posted by Llyralen View Post
    This will likely be a sensitive topic.
    Nah. Is fascinating to me.

    Do you think different MBTI types view God very differently based on their values?
    Yes. This may or may not have any correlation with personal values. People have been in disagreement on God forever.

    Do you feel like 2 people will hear the same sermon or talk or scripture and get vastly different ideas about the nature of God?
    Yup. Just like any other lecture regarding interpretative subjects. I'm certain this has been tested in experimentation and found to be accurate. People have no clue how other people think about God.

    Do you feel like your God favors mercy?
    Your wording presents problems. It sounds like the "your" implies a person can possess a God separate from others. I'll assume you mean a personal interpretation/experience of God. This would not be the same God as depicted in Christian scripture. But a person's interpretation of said God or any other God. Even Peter Jordanson said that the absolute highest value in your personal hierarchy of values is your God. Using that definition as an interpretative God, my God would not favor mercy, assuming this is a dichotomy between mercy and justice. Too much to elaborate on there as to why that is the case.

    Do you feel like another’s version of God puts more emphasis on judgement or even punitive methods or all the “shalt nots” or ceremonies?
    I'm of the opinion that nobody has any idea of another person's perspective on God. One can try to communicate their interpretation but then it would immediately collapse into a critique of a person's understanding of the collectively accepted, objective, scripture-based God. I'll go with no in response to your question though.

    When people talk about “blessings” from God, are you likely to think they are talking about physical blessings? Or are you likely to think they mean emotional blessings? And what would something like “spiritual blessings” be?
    Ahhhh yes, the fun part.
    con·fir·ma·tion bi·as
    noun: the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories.
    We seek patterns in a chaotic, random environment to improve our understanding and establish orientation. Sometimes, we seek patterns that confirm we are correct in our worldview. That is all.

    What do you see and experience compared to others hearing the same messages about values as you? What do you feel others experience?
    Too NF, I can't.

    I feel like maybe everyone reframes messages to fit their worldview.
    Correct. Cognitive dissonance is extremely uncomfortable. Confirmation bias is very comfortable.
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  8. #47
    INFJ

    A controversial topic, indeed...

    Do you think different MBTI types view God very differently based on their values?
    Do you feel like 2 people will hear the same sermon or talk or scripture and get vastly different ideas about the nature of God?

    Do you feel like your God favors mercy? Do you feel like another’s version of God puts more emphasis on judgement or even punitive methods or all the “shalt nots” or ceremonies?


    Your questions sound so limiting. It is like guessing at the personality of God. Although I do believe in God as a person and having personality, it is not the same as how we have personalities. For humans, personalities are masks. Here we are trying to discern the true nature of God. There can be no masks. It is not so much based on an individual's values but the knowledge that they have. Sometimes it is not chosen, but handed down, as in traditions. So it has very little to do with MBTI but more on upbringing, customs, investigation, and self-reflection. What, or Who, is God for you?

    In one word, God for me is the Creator. This connotes the power to both create and destroy. Also, only He knows the blueprint, the plan for everything. Being "created in God's image", in my interpretation, is having part of that power to create. Hence, we all have personal realities. But there is only one absolute reality, and that is the one that God Created. Everything else is a powerful illusion.

    When people talk about “blessings” from God, are you likely to think they are talking about physical blessings? Or are you likely to think they mean emotional blessings? And what would something like “spiritual blessings” be?

    What do you see and experience compared to others hearing the same messages about values as you? What do you feel others experience?


    I have yet to experience a major spiritual blessing. But I've heard so many testimonies of families' lives being changed after converting or taking Christianity seriously. Not only say, getting out of mountains of debt, but finding vocations that reach out to others and actually change lives. Harmonious family life instead of bickering. Children doing well in school and not being bullied, all of a sudden. That kind of thing.


    I know these things are real, but at the same time I haven't experienced for myself. I've seen someone healed in front of my eyes. I've heard people prophesy. There are spiritual gifts and callings but somehow God forgot to leave some for me.

    In this sense, you may think of God as a hacker. Since He built the whole thing, He can hack into the Matrix and create "miracles", like turning water into wine, healing the sick, or resurrecting the dead. These are things that can't be done strictly following the program. But God has the Key to defy the laws of physics and biology.

    I feel like maybe everyone reframes messages to fit their worldview. I tend to ignore the judgement parts, others I know might ignore all the parts about charity or think it means just charity to neighbors— neighbors they like who agree with them and have the same types of problems as them.
    Reframing might be the best term here. Ignoring is too harsh and not a good idea. There are reasons scriptures are full of warnings. Of course, we are not perfect, neither is our understanding. So it is normal to pick and choose which teachings to focus on and follow.

    I don't see it so much as punishment as consequences for not following natural laws. There are reasons for all the rules. Most have to do with safety and/or health. Even the spiritual rules safeguard us against confusion. The trick is to believe in one thing (god) and stick to that instead of complicating matters by introducing other gods.
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  9. #48

    For me God is the force of creation. I don't see Him as an entitity/a person, but more like a type of consciousness. A level of consciousness that in theory any living creature can reach. Because we are all created in the image of our creator and we are all part of him et vice versa. God is in you and that is where you should look.

    This force, called God, created the foundations of the universe and it sowed the first seeds of life. Since this is a universe of free will life evolved as life felt it should. So I don't believe God to be the designer of life in all detail, but he is more like a scientists who created the experiment of life...sat back....and watched how it all unfolded.

    God is in everything and everything is in God. What we call 'evil' and 'darkness' is also part of God, an expression of him, a creation. Yet we humans tend to view things from a dualistic standpoint. There is good & bad, cruelty & mercy, light & darkness. Yet God transcends it all. In God there is only unity......unity consciousness. A form of being that has integrated everything into itself, feels connected to everything, and accepts.....loves.....every single aspect of him without conditions.

    God is not cruel. God does not seek to punish. God, however, wants you to learn...grow...and experience so God can learn too. It is a two way street. He created the law of cause & effect so you will experience the consequences of your actions. This can come across as tough love, yes. But I assure you He does not seek to punish you at all, although it may seem that way at times (I know this from personal experience).

    There was also question if God can be different for anyone. Yes. God is in everything. It doesn't matter whether you see God in a mountain, in the sun, in a bear, in Buddha, in Allah or in Yahweh. It is all an interpretation....a version...of God in which one chooses to belief.

    He doesn't require sacrifice or worship. He doesn't need satisfying. He loves you already, without conditions. And. He wants you to fall in love with yourself in the same way that He loves you. Because that is the starting point from which you can create a truly meaningful life. A life filled with 'miracles'.

  10. #49

    Ooh ooh [pulls up a chair]!

    Do you think different MBTI types view God very differently based on their values?
    Do you feel like 2 people will hear the same sermon or talk or scripture and get vastly different ideas about the nature of God?
    I think so! Though I know who God is: 'God is love. God is glory. God is honor. God is omnipotent. King of kings, Lord of lords', I know that God reveals Himself to individuals in the manner that is most easily digested for them. For me, God is my Source, but He is my Father first and foremost, and does more than simply cover my needs. For others, that can be all that God does [though they are younger, my SP sibling].

    Let those who have eyes see, right? Everyone will gain their own revelations of God as they walk with Him and meditate on His word. Hell, I have listened to some talks over 20 times, and come away with something deeper, or look at it from a different angle depending on my mindset that day, or that hour.

    Do you feel like your God favors mercy? Do you feel like another’s version of God puts more emphasis on judgement or even punitive methods or all the “shalt nots” or ceremonies?
    Ultimately, God will act in a way that, at the very least, attempts to bring us to His original purpose for us, which is to have dominion over the earth. I couldn't say whether mercy or judgement is favored, but I do think there's an appointed time for both [Corinthians 4:5]. I mean, there's this whole Judgement Day thing that has to happen eventually, so I figure God is waiting until then.

    I don't think God cares about ceremonies nearly as much as just having a relationship with Him. All the ceremonies and rituals that are in place in [Christianity/Judaism] today came after the fall of Adam. When Adam was in the straight and narrow, he didn't have sacrifices and communion and worship services and all that. He walked with God, and he worked as God intended him to work.

    When people talk about “blessings” from God, are you likely to think they are talking about physical blessings? Or are you likely to think they mean emotional blessings? And what would something like “spiritual blessings” be?
    I think they're talking about physical blessings. "I got blessed with x" is something I see a lot. Seems that only physical goodies can be attributed to the goodness of God. Spiritual blessings are those that help you to mature, and come in the form of revelation. They also deal with mindset changes, new attitudes and thoughts, etc. When I refer to being blessed, I am usually referring to spiritual blessings.

    What do you see and experience compared to others hearing the same messages about values as you? What do you feel others experience?
    Hmm, I don't really know how to answer this question. It feels too vague.
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  11. #50
    INFJ

    if you want to know Who God is, spend a whole day trying to imagine what it would feel like to be totally loved, and totally accepted, and totally cherished, and totally supported. By an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient being who is, actually, the totality of Reality.

    If you succeed by 1%, you will never need to ask yourself again what God is.
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