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This is a discussion on The NF God within the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers forums, part of the Keirsey Temperament Forums category; This will likely be a sensitive topic. Do you think different MBTI types view God very differently based on their ...

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    The NF God

    This will likely be a sensitive topic.

    Do you think different MBTI types view God very differently based on their values?
    Do you feel like 2 people will hear the same sermon or talk or scripture and get vastly different ideas about the nature of God?

    Do you feel like your God favors mercy? Do you feel like another’s version of God puts more emphasis on judgement or even punitive methods or all the “shalt nots” or ceremonies?

    When people talk about “blessings” from God, are you likely to think they are talking about physical blessings? Or are you likely to think they mean emotional blessings? And what would something like “spiritual blessings” be?

    What do you see and experience compared to others hearing the same messages about values as you? What do you feel others experience?

    I feel like maybe everyone reframes messages to fit their worldview. I tend to ignore the judgement parts, others I know might ignore all the parts about charity or think it means just charity to neighbors— neighbors they like who agree with them and have the same types of problems as them.

    I’m not sure exactly what you guys will say you see. I’m not sure what direction this will go, but I’m interested to hear what you see and think.



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    INFJ - The Protectors

    According to Neale Donald Walsch and Erin Pavlina, God is all loving and all accepting. To God, you are perfect the way you are. There is also no hell, as all souls go to Heaven, and people choose to be in physical form, to experience their Divinity, or express Who They Really Are.
    Last edited by Sparky; 05-14-2019 at 03:50 PM.

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    Man crafts god in his own image. As men have changed over the millennia, so have their gods.

    Here's Regina singing Bulat's prayer - to whom? Bulat prays for Cain to repent, for God to grant everyone their wish: brains for the wise, a horse for the coward, power for the power-hungry, a little rest for the Good Samaritan, and ne zabud' pro menya... Try not to forget me. There's no holier prayer, yet Bulat could not have told you who it was directed to.



     


    My grapes you have prepared, September Sun,
    They’re ripe and they’re flowing with juice,
    My friends I will gather for dance and for fun,
    My heart I will let you seduce.
    What nightmares, skin tears, heartache I have
    The heavenly Czar will forgive;
    Why, if not true to my greatness and flaws,
    On this beautiful Earth do I live?

    Gather, my friends, to dance at my feast
    Swirling and laughing with me!
    Tell me the truth, beauty or beast -
    Who am I? Whom do you see?
    My sins, transgressions, passions and faults
    The heavenly Czar will forgive;
    Why, if not true to my greatness and flaws,
    On this beautiful Earth do I live?

    Sing me a song, September Sun,
    Sing me of hills and of dales!
    Sing till I die of sorrow and love
    Of the sadness and sweetness of life!
    My dreams, my hopes, my tears, my fears
    The heavenly Czar will forgive;
    Why, if not true to my greatness and flaws,
    On this beautiful Earth do I live?

    With the last of your rays you will send me a kiss
    Caress me, September Sun;
    The eagles and angels will grant me my wish
    And carry me till we’re one.
    My highs and my lows, my songs and my wrongs
    The heavenly Czar will forgive;
    And so I stay true to my greatness and flaws
    In this beautiful life that I live.


    Last edited by Marvin the Dendroid; 05-14-2019 at 08:49 PM.
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    ENFP

    I'm sure I craft the idea of God in my own perspective. Tough admitting that, but I probably place more weight on his justice than mercy.
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    God is an entirely subjective experience, so it takes the form of their psychological needs. Benevolence, malevolence, the need to remove guilt or responsibility from oneself, the fear of death and having no inner motivation to be good, etc..
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    ENFJ

    Someone once said, "Anyone who describes God to you, has effectively proven they have no idea what they're talking about."

    Something that's more intelligent than you, wouldn't be understood by you. The same way a Dog can understand the impressions you give it, but in actually it has no idea of the higher things you do or why you do it.

    God is responsible for all the horrible things in the world, as well as the good. The concept of God is necessary because it teaches people good and bad, right and wrong, it provides them with objectives which are necessary, but it is beyond all association.

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    Relativism and subjectivism is the disease of the heart. When having their own subjective idea of God, are considered equally valid, you have invited every demon to the table engaging in spiritual prostitution. We were all created as equals; God is no respecter of persons. His invisible qualities are clearly seen and understood by all, so there is no excuse. Ignore at your own peril.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euclid View Post
    Relativism and subjectivism is the disease of the heart. When having their own subjective idea of God, are considered equally valid, you have invited every demon to the table engaging in spiritual prostitution. We were all created as equals; God is no respecter of persons. His invisible qualities are clearly seen and understood by all, so there is no excuse. Ignore at your own peril.
    how ironic
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    God is all light and in Him is no darkness at all

    Some verses are more clear than others, and since ones like the above make such bold, firm, unequivocal pronouncements of who God is, I choose to believe those.
    God has always been to me a Father, the loving kind, a leader and a helper, counselor, and whatever His kids need Him to be. I believe in Him on a personal level - Who He is to me. Without that any faith would be pointless, empty, shallow, a selfish quest for immortality or worldly gain.

    The church that I was raised in emphasized both researching the Bible for oneself - not letting anyone dictate to you what it says or means - and the fact that the perfect (unadulterated) Word of God does not disagree with itself. Finding contradictions means you've found human error, and therefore something has to be true and something else false - taking into consideration that this collection of books is thousands of years old and the source languages are difficult to translate clearly into English, as well that the idioms, symbolism, and culture of the time was essential to understanding what was written.
    Now, we have to work harder to understand it, but that doesn't mean a clear comprehension can't be attained.

    This is to say, I not only believe in my heart that God is Love, my mind also find it connects in a logical way - the Bible supports it... which didn't happen overnight, and it does take critical thought.


    Another angle to look at it from is just what big-name preachers are getting out of preaching hell and damnation.
    Fear rakes in more money. Promises of worldly goods bring in more money. And a flock willing to pressure and manipulate one another keeps that money rolling in over time.
    So I believe there are many wolves out there at this present time. The perversions of human greed and lust for power have damaged Christianity in countless ways, and worse, they have besmirched the pure name of God, which I will never forgive them for.


    As an NF - I find tracking what is actually happening is easier for me / us. I don't think we are as easily manipulated as those whose intuition or feeling functions are further down and less used. A thinker can be more easily misled by their feelings in some circumstances just from the sheer fact they are trying so hard to ignore them.
    Intuition and Feeling is what spiritual subjects are all about... so I think it's not only easier for us to come to believe, but it's also more clear to us when things have veered off course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sour Roses View Post
    Now, we have to work harder to understand it, but that doesn't mean a clear comprehension can't be attained.
    Did you ever look into holy books and religions other than Christianity? I am honestly curious this time, not pulling any legs. As you know, I don't have the naturally hyperscrutinous inclinations of 6s - instead, I can't help but be fascinated by what everyone else believes in, and hence investigate it. In my former church, we weren't supposed to pay attention to other churches (they are all heretics anyway), but I couldn't help myself - it is all way too interesting to ignore.

    Feel free to PM if you'd rather not reply here
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