This is a discussion on Have you experienced functions outside of your function stack... on purpose? within the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers forums, part of the Keirsey Temperament Forums category; Originally Posted by Llyralen Oh interesting. Okay, yes, I've felt those light bulb Ni moments especially when I first wake ...
The night before last I was up a lot and decided to pay attention to what I think are Ni type realizations and I noticed I hadnít felt to much Fe since my experience in the OP. Is night when you experience more Te? Feel like you need to get a ton of stuff done in the morning? Angry at people for not being efficient? Whatís it like?
I even made a thread once in the ENFP forum called something like "Can you tell the difference between your Te anger and your Fi anger?" Maybe I should find it and link it to the ENTJ post too.
So... Te is aggressive and extroverted. This is how I experience it. This is also how it is often described and yes, I like how you wrote this "seeks amoral efficient and immediate action." Well, when I'm angry, this is what I want.
When I am hurt.... when my feelings are hurt... then I am experiencing a very introverted thing. No aggression. No extroversion. My Fi hurt can lead to a Te lash-out (usually affectionately called the ENFP bitch-slap by some). If I am feeling the amoral efficiency stuff and can't get out of it, then the only cure for me (because one thing has to be done after the other when I'm really like that) is to re-connect with my Fi by listening to music, watching a feeling movie.
I have an idea that this would not work for our ENTJs since they suppress their Fi... I think they have to either lean into their Te in some way like in listening to aggressive music (I've heard this helps them), wrestling, hitting a punching bag... or spend some relaxation with Se maybe? wear stilettos (for the girls), get a massage, have sex? I don't know. We'll see what the ENTJs come up with.
As for you with Ti to Fe.... notice Fe people are not usually dishing out wrath...there's more feeling regulation towards others at developed levels. Actually when you watch ESFJs cut someone out, for instance, they become cold and very detached and Ti-like and then knife you in the back. I watch my Ti dom dad and daughter, their Ti can get angry(rarely) it seems to me, it's an introverted thing, it seems. It doesn't seem to hold a grudge, though.... well it wouldn't with neither having much Si, I'd think. They don't hold onto it.
In my thread I wrote Te doesn't seem to "hold" onto anger for me... although it might if I were an ESTJ. Whereas Fi can feel very hurt for years--- but the focus is inward... like feeling bad about yourself if someone said something very critical about me is mostly how I experience it.
Okay, this is exploring... I really don't know that much about Ti and emotions. What do you think?
Edit: Found the thread: https://www.personalitycafe.com/enfp...honesty-2.html
Last edited by Llyralen; 08-03-2019 at 06:33 PM.
When you wrote, "this is how I experience it", that's key. It's a bit like speaking two different languages and things get lost in translation.
Te as such doesn't experience emotions. It's a thinking function; different purpose. IMHO.
The individual with his/her Fi does; and an ETJ with repressed Fi might use Te to understand the emotions intellectually.
In a way, "What caused me to feel this way?"
And then Te his/her way through it, if the emotion is negative, "fix" the issue. (or cause of the emotion)
As an INTJ I do this in a similar manner, tbh.
Now as for functions outside my function-stack. I feel the MBTI functionstacks are a bit limiting, tbh.
Some people don't fall perfectly flat into one or the other type; suggesting there might be function-stacks who don't quite fit the convention.
And those might easily find themselves thinking they use a function outside of their type; go with "unknown type", etc.
In a way, they are a crossbreed of types?
But I don't believe I've experienced functions outside my stack. Just a non-conventional (MBTI) stack.
Not even sure it's possible; though I'd guess you could "act like" a different function when you need to get creative with the use of your functionstack?
I think, with both Ti & Te, you are envisioning this "pocket" - a secret spot - where they hold feelings, but that's not what thinking functions do.
ITPs use their inferior Fe to process feelings. But then of course, we have to acknowledge that feelings themselves exist separate from the functions that manage them... so with dominant thinking a person's feelings could get riled without their mind being willing to engage management over it, and that can lead to outbursts or a complete unwillingness to communicate feelings. But if they stay more stuck in their dominant thinking, especially with Ti, they can eradicate feelings almost completely.
Don't you see this in your Ti doms? Don't you feel the emotional silence?
Even with my small tertiary Ti… when I use it I can remove myself from my stronger Fe feelings altogether. I just can't hold onto that emptiness for too long. I imagine Ti dom / aux can manage it for a lot longer. If the male side of my family is anything to go by, they definitely can.
Llyralen , and that's why TPs are actual Extraverted Thinkers, by Jung's typology
Ti is supposedly subjective, but TPs are objective thinkers, they try to see all sides and use as much information as possible, casting a wide net, without the personal attachment of bringing the result they want, they will adapt their thinking with new information easily
and you prob experience this extraverted thinking more than you know
TJ thinking is subjective and extrapunitive (acts out on others - what mbti calls extraversion but isn't), hence the anger and suppression of guilt, it has to serve the subjective need and all be damned if they don't play by the rules
in most daily situations, an FP will utilise TP more likely than any FJ
Also, in my experience, TPs don't use their "Fe" to process their feelings, they usually analyze them in an FP way, but with less dwelling. Using their "Fe" would mean they try to make others feel as they do or project and that's rare.
the Grant stack has very little relation to reality unfortunately