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This is a discussion on Have you experienced functions outside of your function stack... on purpose? within the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers forums, part of the Keirsey Temperament Forums category; Originally Posted by Llyralen Oh interesting. Okay, yes, I've felt those light bulb Ni moments especially when I first wake ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Llyralen View Post
    Oh interesting. Okay, yes, I've felt those light bulb Ni moments especially when I first wake up. You feeling Te is like when I experienced Fe in a way. With opposite problems, basically. When I felt Fe I couldn't assert with others the thing I knew was the right thing to do... I felt like I didn't have Ti along with Fe in order to do what I usually am hired to do at work. For you with Te you wouldn't have Fi as backup to temper the Te.

    That's exactly the kind of thing I wanted to hear about what people's experiences were like with feeling like the supporting structure isn't there. It's really interesting.
    I think its possible that I use a lot of Ni in my sleep too. When you cant figure something out then sleep on it, and the solution is clear when you wake up. Its like you need to defocus yourself to use it. I also have claircognizant moments which is different again. Its like you download solutions strait from their ether. But thats a different conversation :) Te feels like it doesn't take any imput from my normal function. It nice to know Fi tempers it. I cant relate to it at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrodingers drink View Post
    I think its possible that I use a lot of Ni in my sleep too. When you cant figure something out then sleep on it, and the solution is clear when you wake up. Its like you need to defocus yourself to use it. I also have claircognizant moments which is different again. Its like you download solutions strait from their ether. But thats a different conversation :) Te feels like it doesn't take any imput from my normal function. It nice to know Fi tempers it. I cant relate to it at all.
    Te without Fi can be a scary machine I think.. thereís a thread on the ESTJ board dedicated to aggressive behavior. Iím curious, what do you experience? Do you experience it more at night almost like a INTJ?

    The night before last I was up a lot and decided to pay attention to what I think are Ni type realizations and I noticed I hadnít felt to much Fe since my experience in the OP. Is night when you experience more Te? Feel like you need to get a ton of stuff done in the morning? Angry at people for not being efficient? Whatís it like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Llyralen View Post
    Te without Fi can be a scary machine I think.. there’s a thread on the ESTJ board dedicated to aggressive behavior. I’m curious, what do you experience? Do you experience it more at night almost like a INTJ?

    The night before last I was up a lot and decided to pay attention to what I think are Ni type realizations and I noticed I hadn’t felt to much Fe since my experience in the OP. Is night when you experience more Te? Feel like you need to get a ton of stuff done in the morning? Angry at people for not being efficient? What’s it like?
    There is no particular timing, just happens when I'm angry. Normally anger is triggered by either inconsiderate and selfish behavior or overly rigid thinking in controlling types. Also large scale injustices. Te doesn't tend to drive me to action, it just generates efficient solutions in a brutally logical way which when clouded by anger are somewhat uncool. Fortunately I cant sustain anger for long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrodingers drink View Post
    There is no particular timing, just happens when I'm angry. Normally anger is triggered by either inconsiderate and selfish behavior or overly rigid thinking in controlling types. Also large scale injustices. Te doesn't tend to drive me to action, it just generates efficient solutions in a brutally logical way which when clouded by anger are somewhat uncool. Fortunately I cant sustain anger for long.
    Would you be able to describe how you experience Te anger versus TI anger?
    Iím very curious! :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Llyralen View Post
    Would you be able to describe how you experience Te anger versus TI anger?
    I’m very curious! :-)
    Well both states are rational/logical, not emotional. Anger comes from Fe feeling. With Ti you check and recheck everything, and have a tendency to withdraw to gather more data (enneagram 5 style). With Te moments the logic path seeks amoral efficient and immediate action. Its lack of connection to morality makes me feel inhuman. Its a cold psychopathic murder mode. Hence why it freaks me out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrodingers drink View Post
    Well both states are rational/logical, not emotional. Anger comes from Fe feeling. With Ti you check and recheck everything, and have a tendency to withdraw to gather more data (enneagram 5 style). With Te moments the logic path seeks amoral efficient and immediate action. Its lack of connection to morality makes me feel inhuman. Its a cold psychopathic murder mode. Hence why it freaks me out.
    This is funny and interesting because I just barely made a thread in the ENTJ forum making my point that Te is the angry one... not the undeveloped Fi.
    I even made a thread once in the ENFP forum called something like "Can you tell the difference between your Te anger and your Fi anger?" Maybe I should find it and link it to the ENTJ post too.

    So... Te is aggressive and extroverted. This is how I experience it. This is also how it is often described and yes, I like how you wrote this "seeks amoral efficient and immediate action." Well, when I'm angry, this is what I want.
    When I am hurt.... when my feelings are hurt... then I am experiencing a very introverted thing. No aggression. No extroversion. My Fi hurt can lead to a Te lash-out (usually affectionately called the ENFP bitch-slap by some). If I am feeling the amoral efficiency stuff and can't get out of it, then the only cure for me (because one thing has to be done after the other when I'm really like that) is to re-connect with my Fi by listening to music, watching a feeling movie.

    I have an idea that this would not work for our ENTJs since they suppress their Fi... I think they have to either lean into their Te in some way like in listening to aggressive music (I've heard this helps them), wrestling, hitting a punching bag... or spend some relaxation with Se maybe? wear stilettos (for the girls), get a massage, have sex? I don't know. We'll see what the ENTJs come up with.

    As for you with Ti to Fe.... notice Fe people are not usually dishing out wrath...there's more feeling regulation towards others at developed levels. Actually when you watch ESFJs cut someone out, for instance, they become cold and very detached and Ti-like and then knife you in the back. I watch my Ti dom dad and daughter, their Ti can get angry(rarely) it seems to me, it's an introverted thing, it seems. It doesn't seem to hold a grudge, though.... well it wouldn't with neither having much Si, I'd think. They don't hold onto it.

    In my thread I wrote Te doesn't seem to "hold" onto anger for me... although it might if I were an ESTJ. Whereas Fi can feel very hurt for years--- but the focus is inward... like feeling bad about yourself if someone said something very critical about me is mostly how I experience it.
    Okay, this is exploring... I really don't know that much about Ti and emotions. What do you think?

    Edit: Found the thread: https://www.personalitycafe.com/enfp...honesty-2.html
    Last edited by Llyralen; 08-03-2019 at 05:33 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Llyralen View Post
    So... Te is aggressive and extroverted. This is how I experience it. This is also how it is often described and yes, I like how you wrote this "seeks amoral efficient and immediate action." Well, when I'm angry, this is what I want.
    When I am hurt.... when my feelings are hurt... then I am experiencing a very introverted thing. No aggression. No extroversion. My Fi hurt can lead to a Te lash-out (usually affectionately called the ENFP bitch-slap by some). If I am feeling the amoral efficiency stuff and can't get out of it, then the only cure for me (because one thing has to be done after the other when I'm really like that) is to re-connect with my Fi by listening to music, watching a feeling movie.

    I have an idea that this would not work for our ENTJs since they suppress their Fi... I think they have to either lean into their Te in some way like in listening to aggressive music (I've heard this helps them), wrestling, hitting a punching bag... or spend some relaxation with Se maybe? wear stilettos (for the girls), get a massage, have sex? I don't know. We'll see what the ENTJs come up with.
    As an INTJ with quite strong Te, perhaps I can help offer some insight.

    When you wrote, "this is how I experience it", that's key. It's a bit like speaking two different languages and things get lost in translation.

    Te as such doesn't experience emotions. It's a thinking function; different purpose. IMHO.
    The individual with his/her Fi does; and an ETJ with repressed Fi might use Te to understand the emotions intellectually.
    In a way, "What caused me to feel this way?"

    And then Te his/her way through it, if the emotion is negative, "fix" the issue. (or cause of the emotion)
    As an INTJ I do this in a similar manner, tbh.

    ............................................................

    Now as for functions outside my function-stack. I feel the MBTI functionstacks are a bit limiting, tbh.
    Some people don't fall perfectly flat into one or the other type; suggesting there might be function-stacks who don't quite fit the convention.
    And those might easily find themselves thinking they use a function outside of their type; go with "unknown type", etc.
    In a way, they are a crossbreed of types?

    But I don't believe I've experienced functions outside my stack. Just a non-conventional (MBTI) stack.
    Not even sure it's possible; though I'd guess you could "act like" a different function when you need to get creative with the use of your functionstack?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eu_citzen View Post
    As an INTJ with quite strong Te, perhaps I can help offer some insight.

    When you wrote, "this is how I experience it", that's key. It's a bit like speaking two different languages and things get lost in translation.

    Te as such doesn't experience emotions. It's a thinking function; different purpose. IMHO.
    The individual with his/her Fi does; and an ETJ with repressed Fi might use Te to understand the emotions intellectually.
    In a way, "What caused me to feel this way?"

    And then Te his/her way through it, if the emotion is negative, "fix" the issue. (or cause of the emotion)
    As an INTJ I do this in a similar manner, tbh.

    ............................................................

    Now as for functions outside my function-stack. I feel the MBTI functionstacks are a bit limiting, tbh.
    Some people don't fall perfectly flat into one or the other type; suggesting there might be function-stacks who don't quite fit the convention.
    And those might easily find themselves thinking they use a function outside of their type; go with "unknown type", etc.
    In a way, they are a crossbreed of types?

    But I don't believe I've experienced functions outside my stack. Just a non-conventional (MBTI) stack.
    Not even sure it's possible; though I'd guess you could "act like" a different function when you need to get creative with the use of your functionstack?
    Which is why I wrote the line and the thread, actually. Iím always interested to hear about how people experience things. Thereís a discussion specifically on Te in the ENTJ thread right now that Iím hoping you look over. Actually, I think when people have certain functions in the middle then they can become translators of sorts for those who have these functions on the bookends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Llyralen View Post
    Okay, this is exploring... I really don't know that much about Ti and emotions.
    Ti can't get angry, or anything else, it brings a complete absence of emotion. Ti in itself is completely sterile and divorced of attachment to what it thinks about, besides the place of micro conclusions as building blocks for meta conclusions. When one small block fails, the whole construction falls to pieces, and they have to start again. The effort being the only reason for the existence of a minute amount of attachment. But they'll let go of such things easier than any feeler type like us can truly comprehend.

    I think, with both Ti & Te, you are envisioning this "pocket" - a secret spot - where they hold feelings, but that's not what thinking functions do.

    ITPs use their inferior Fe to process feelings. But then of course, we have to acknowledge that feelings themselves exist separate from the functions that manage them... so with dominant thinking a person's feelings could get riled without their mind being willing to engage management over it, and that can lead to outbursts or a complete unwillingness to communicate feelings. But if they stay more stuck in their dominant thinking, especially with Ti, they can eradicate feelings almost completely.
    Don't you see this in your Ti doms? Don't you feel the emotional silence?

    Even with my small tertiary Ti… when I use it I can remove myself from my stronger Fe feelings altogether. I just can't hold onto that emptiness for too long. I imagine Ti dom / aux can manage it for a lot longer. If the male side of my family is anything to go by, they definitely can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sour Roses View Post
    Ti can't get angry, or anything else, it brings a complete absence of emotion. Ti in itself is completely sterile and divorced of attachment to what it thinks about, besides the place of micro conclusions as building blocks for meta conclusions. When one small block fails, the whole construction falls to pieces, and they have to start again. The effort being the only reason for the existence of a minute amount of attachment. But they'll let go of such things easier than any feeler type like us can truly comprehend.

    I think, with both Ti & Te, you are envisioning this "pocket" - a secret spot - where they hold feelings, but that's not what thinking functions do.

    ITPs use their inferior Fe to process feelings. But then of course, we have to acknowledge that feelings themselves exist separate from the functions that manage them... so with dominant thinking a person's feelings could get riled without their mind being willing to engage management over it, and that can lead to outbursts or a complete unwillingness to communicate feelings. But if they stay more stuck in their dominant thinking, especially with Ti, they can eradicate feelings almost completely.
    Don't you see this in your Ti doms? Don't you feel the emotional silence?

    Even with my small tertiary Ti… when I use it I can remove myself from my stronger Fe feelings altogether. I just can't hold onto that emptiness for too long. I imagine Ti dom / aux can manage it for a lot longer. If the male side of my family is anything to go by, they definitely can.
    @Llyralen , and that's why TPs are actual Extraverted Thinkers, by Jung's typology
    Ti is supposedly subjective, but TPs are objective thinkers, they try to see all sides and use as much information as possible, casting a wide net, without the personal attachment of bringing the result they want, they will adapt their thinking with new information easily
    and you prob experience this extraverted thinking more than you know
    TJ thinking is subjective and extrapunitive (acts out on others - what mbti calls extraversion but isn't), hence the anger and suppression of guilt, it has to serve the subjective need and all be damned if they don't play by the rules
    in most daily situations, an FP will utilise TP more likely than any FJ

    Also, in my experience, TPs don't use their "Fe" to process their feelings, they usually analyze them in an FP way, but with less dwelling. Using their "Fe" would mean they try to make others feel as they do or project and that's rare.

    the Grant stack has very little relation to reality unfortunately
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