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This is a discussion on Clash between sensing function and intuitive function within the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers forums, part of the Keirsey Temperament Forums category; I'm fairly new to Myers Briggs, but lately attempting to type myself (and others) has been my primary hobby. This ...

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Clash between sensing function and intuitive function

    I'm fairly new to Myers Briggs, but lately attempting to type myself (and others) has been my primary hobby. This all started in a desperate attempt to find myself following a heavy amount of self examination, self reflection, and self doubt. However, I still feel pretty lost and I haven't found an MBTI type that really sticks. I'm aware that MBTI is just a tool and doesn't completely reflect who you are as a person, but I feel more often than not when people discover their type descriptions they seem to feel as though the page is inside their head. I haven't experienced this feeling, and I feel the type descriptions reflect my personality very vaguely. Thats what inspired me to dive into researching cognitive functions as I feel they can offer you better insight into your thinking style. This is how I started to recognize a real personality clash in myself. Anyway back to the point, ,more often that not I test INFJ on MBTI. However, I sometimes question whether or not I'm truly an intuitive type. I have many creative interests including writing and filmmaking. I'm also heavily interested in people, behavior, and how relationships and actions connect and effect others. These seem to be NF traits. However, the core principle behind intuitive behavior is ability to think abstractly. I sometimes question this ability in myself. I'm very bad at math (which seems to be all about abstract reasoning skill) and I sometimes need things to be explained twice before I can fully understand a subject. Also, my IQ is a bit lower than the average INFJ (somewhere between 115 and 120 i'd say). These facts lead me to believe that I may be an ISFJ. We shared some similar traits including, dutifulness and consciousness. I also seem to have the martyr complex that has come to be associated with ISFJs. Unfortunately, I tended to see life very differently than the ISFJ's I spoke to. I take nothing at face value and look for meaning in every situation, conversation, and event in my life. ISFJs seem to take things at face value more often. Also, I read that ISFJs usually don't like learning, school, reading, etc and I'm an information junkie. So, that's where I stand. I'm torn between INFJ and ISFJ. I've also typed as INTJ. The cognitive functions of INFP's appeal to me as well, but I think I'm a bit more consciousness and goal oriented than the average INFP (although I am a hopeless romantic). Anyway, based on that information tell me what you think. Sensing type or intuitive type?



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    I think math is more hard logic than abstract thinking (less room for gray and more for black and white). Example 2+2=4; nothing to expand upon (well, it could be 6 as you add 2 2 1 1 together if you think that way heh heh heh), but something like art... your mind can be abstract, as you arent limited to boundaries (and for that matter the boundaries of black and white) even philosophy comes to mind too.

    Or maybe Im getting it totally wrong, but hey.
    Im afraid I cant really help you much with the second part of your question cause my knowledge is limited on that. If it were my guess youre most likely intuitive.

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Yes, the use of the word 'abstract' is very broad in this area. I guess 'looking for meaning in every situation, conversation, and event in my life' counts as abstract too here, for example. It's more about ideas that don't directly derive from your sensory environment and also are not created by your conscious mind. Abstract reasoning and math are rather part of thinking and logic, it is maybe one aspect, but surely not the main component of intuition.

    I also think you're rather intuitive. You just seem to share the feeling attributes but not the sensing ones with ISFJ.
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    Unknown Personality

    Have you looked at the cognitive functions?

    Here's a good article on Ni, the dominant function of an INFJ.

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Definitely an INFJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaladinRoland View Post
    I think math is more hard logic than abstract thinking (less room for gray and more for black and white). Example 2+2=4; nothing to expand upon (well, it could be 6 as you add 2 2 1 1 together if you think that way heh heh heh), but something like art... your mind can be abstract, as you arent limited to boundaries (and for that matter the boundaries of black and white) even philosophy comes to mind too.

    Or maybe Im getting it totally wrong, but hey.
    Im afraid I cant really help you much with the second part of your question cause my knowledge is limited on that. If it were my guess youre most likely intuitive.
    U just did Ne!!
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    ENTJ

    @ohgodohgodohman I'm spotting a lot of Ne in your text. I don't see any Ni nor the straight to the point orderliness that it carries. You might be an ISFJ, but a lot of the things you've written are the classic ENFP thoughts. Here they are:

    I have many creative interests including writing and filmmaking.

    I'm also heavily interested in people, behavior, and how relationships and actions connect and effect others.

    I take nothing at face value and look for meaning in every situation, conversation, and event in my life.

    I'm an information junkie

    The cognitive functions of INFP's appeal to me as well, but I think I'm a bit more consciousness and goal oriented than the average INFP
    An ISFJ would most likely make a decision as soon as possible when having a doubt about something, even if it makes things worse, "better safe than sorry". ENFPs on the other hand always look at the possibilities and weigh out options. Ne allows us to absorb massive a amount of info while taking with us things that fit our overall picture of the world, or details that we see as having further potential. We're hard working, dutiful and conscientious when we feel in line with what we're working towards, and not all of us necessarily think abstractly, some are more socially focused than idea focused, some are putting more emphasis on Te-Si while others feel comfortable embracing Ne-Fi full swing, it all depends on the amount of stress that you experience and if you feel like you need to prove something, to yourself or to others.

    Are you experiencing stress right now? this might explain your test results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fru2 View Post
    @ohgodohgodohman I'm spotting a lot of Ne in your text. I don't see any Ni nor the straight to the point orderliness that it carries. You might be an ISFJ, but a lot of the things you've written are the classic ENFP thoughts. Here they are:
    @ohgodohgodohman last visited PerC on May 17th, 2014.
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    ENTJ

    Quote Originally Posted by marvin the dendroid View Post
    @ohgodohgodohman last visited perc on may 17th, 2014.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fru2 View Post
    An ISFJ would most likely make a decision as soon as possible when having a doubt about something, even if it makes things worse, "better safe than sorry".
    Not necessarily btw - this is something myself, @darcstar3 and @vicegupi have spoken in depth about. Making decisions is really difficult for us - will we make the right one? will things go wrong? what if this, this or that happens? We prefer other people to make decisions for us or we ponder over all the possibilities to the point sometimes we feel paralysed and end up not making a decision in the end, because that's easier than dealing with the consequences of making a decision that we're then tied into. Difference between high Ne and low Ne is high Ne will look at all the potential ways things can go and don't feel there's a right or wrong one because they'll deal with it whichever way it goes, low Ne worries about making the "correct/most efficient" decision and doesn't feel equip to deal with a decision that may go a way they weren't expecting or feel unable to deal with it.

    Decision making is difficult for me - I either need someone else to make the decision or I need to make the decision there, then and deal with the consequences. Generally though, if it's a big decision I take weeks of going back and forward and when I do finally make up my mind I still worry if it's the right one and how I'm going to deal with any unexpected happenings that come up. That's why we tend to go for "safe/comfortable" options where we can predict what will happen.

    But I think you're right in saying that we do prefer to make a decision, in that we pick one thing over the other instead of keeping our options open all throughout the process.
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