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This is a discussion on Introverted Feeling within the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers forums, part of the Keirsey Temperament Forums category; Thanks Psilo. I came to think of some things from my own life: - Because of Fi other people can ...

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    ISFP - The Artists

    Thanks Psilo. I came to think of some things from my own life:

    - Because of Fi other people can see ISFP:s as "dreamy" or "living on a different planet", "living in his own world". I've heard this many times about myself, and I feel kind of misunderstood, because I dont think I live in "another world". I'm very present in reality and the physical environment, but more on the sensuos side than the social.

    - Fi is also described as finding underlying truth and coherence. This is very important for me to know, because it caused me great confusion at the university. I could be a good and original student who sometimes said smart things, and came up with good ideas. But I was never able to sustain it for longer times. I was going for the truth without intuition. Very draining. I lost my interest, forgot everything I'd just heard and left the library for a coffee instead.

    - Kind of the same as being here. I dont know if I am that interested in psychology. It's a way to give Fi some food and get some excitement, play and fun, from it also. But I dont think it's a genuine interest for me.

    So if you are an INFP maybe you can get at least something out of these remarks, because they are from the perspective of "INFP-minus-N" so it might help you to isolate your experience of Fi, if you know what I mean.
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    Cool Fi thing psil, there were a few things that aren't me (but nearly everything it described is me) like how it talked about God, but I don't believe in God

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    INFP - The Idealists

    From Jung's Personality Types

    The Introverted Feeling Type

    It is principally among women that I have found the priority of introverted feeling. The proverb 'Still waters run deep' is very true of such women. That are mostly silent, inaccessible, and hard to understand; often they hide behind a childish or banal mask, and not infrequently their temperament is melancholic. They neither shine nor reveal themselves. Since they submit the control of their lives to their subjectively orientated feeling, their true motives generally remain concealed. Their outward demeanor is harmonious and inconspicuous; they reveal a delightful repose, a sympathetic parallelism, which has no desire to affect others either to impress, influence, or change them in any way. Should this outer side be somewhat emphasized, a suspicion of neglectfulness and coldness may easily obtrude itself, which not seldom increases to a real indifference for the comfort and well-being of others. One distinctly feels the movement of feeling away from the object. With the normal type, however, such an event only occurs when the object has in some way too strong an effect. The harmonious feeling atmosphere rules only so long as the object moves upon its own way with a moderate feeling intensity ans makes no attempt to cross the other's path. There is little effort to accompany the real emotions of the object, which tend to be damped and rebuffed, or to put it more aptly, are 'cooled off' by a negative feeling judgment. Although one may find a constant readiness for a peaceful and harmonious companionship, the unfamiliar object is shown no touch of amiability, no gleam of responding warmth, but is met by a manner of apparent indifference or repelling coldness.

    One may even be made to feel the superfluousness of one's own existence. In the presence of something that might carry one away or arouse enthusiasm, this type observes a benevolent neutrality, tempered with an occasional trace of superiority and criticism that soon takes the wind out of the sails of a sensitive object. But a stormy emotion will be brusquely rejected with murderous coldness, unless it happens to catch the subject from the side of the unconscious, ie unless, through the animation of some primordial image, feeling is, as it were, taken captive. In which event such a woman simply feels a momentary laming, invariable producing, in due course, a still more violent resistance, which reaches the object in his most vulnerable spot. The relation to the object is, as far as possible, kept in a secure and tranquil middle state of feeling, where passion and its intemperateness are resolutely proscribed. Expression of feeling, therefore, remains niggardly and, when once aware of it at all, the object has a permanent sense of his undervaluation. Such, however, is not always the case, since very often the deficit remains unconscious; whereupon the unconscious feeling claims gradually produce symptoms which compel a more serious attention.

    A superficial judgment might well be betrayed by a rather cold and reserved demeanor, into denying all feeling to this type. Such a view, however, would be quite false; the truth is, her feelings are intensive rather than extensive. They develop into the depth. Whereas, for instance, an extensive feeling of sympathy can express itself in both word and deed at the right place, thus quickly ridding itself of its impression, an intensive sympathy, because shut off from every means of expression, gains a passionate depth that embraces the misery of a world and is simply benumbered. It may possibly make an extravagant irruption, leading to some staggering act of an almost heroic character, to which, however, neither the object nor the subject can find a right relation. To the outer world, or to the blind eyes of an extravert, this sympathy looks like coldness, for it does nothing visibly, and an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.

    Such a misunderstanding is a characteristic occurrence in the life of this type, and is commonly registered as a most weighty argument against any deeper feeling relation with the object. But the underlying, real object of this feeling is only dimly divined by the normal type. It may possibly express its aim and content in a concealed religiously anxiously shielded, from profane eyes, or in intimate poetic forms equally safeguarded from surprise; not without a secret ambition to bring about some superiority over the object by such means. Women often express much of it in their children, letting their passionateness flow secretly into them.

    Although in the normal type, the tendency, above alluded to, to overpower or coerce the object once openly and visibly with the thing secretly felt, rarely plays a disturbing role, and never leads to a serious attempt in this direction, some trace of it, nonetheless, leaks through into the personal effect upon the object, in the form of a domineering influence often difficult to define. It is sensed as a sort of stifling or oppressive feeling which holds the immediate circle under a spell. It gives a woman of this type a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious. This power is derived from the deeply felt, unconscious images; consciousness, however, readily refers it to the ego, whereupon the influence becomes debased into personal tyranny. But, wherever the unconscious subject is identified with the ego, the mysterious power of the intensive feeling is also transformed into banal and arrogant ambition, vanity, and petty tyranny. This produces a type of woman most regrettably distinguished by her unscrupulous ambition and mischievous cruelty. But this change in the picture leads also to neurosis.

    So long as the ego feels itself housed, as it were, beneath the heights of the unconscious subject, and feeling reveals something higher and mightier than the ego, the type is normal. The unconscious thinking is certainly archaic, yet its reductions may prove extremely helpful in compensating the occasional inclinations to exalt the ego into the subject. But, whenever this does take place by dint of complete suppression of the unconscious reductive thinking-products, the unconscious thinking goes over into opposition and becomes projected into objects. Whereupon the now egocentric subject comes to feel the power and importance of te depreciated object. Consciousness begins to feel 'what others think'. Naturally, others are thinking, all sorts of baseness, scheming evil, and contriving all sorts of plots, secrey intrigues, etc. To prevent this, the subject must also begin to carry out preventative intrigues, to suspect and sound others, to make subtle combinations. Assailed by rumors, he must make convulsive efforts to convert, if possible, a threatened inferiority into a superiority. Innumerable secret rivalries develop, and in these embittered struggles not only will no base or evil means be disdained, but even virtues will be misused and tampered with in order to play the trump card. Such a development must lead to exhaustion. The form of neurosis is neurasthenic rather than hysterical; in the case of women we often find severe collateral physical states, as for instance anaemia and its sequelae.
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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Where does it come from? I'd like to read the extraverted feeling description for comparison if there is one. I've never been able to work out which I am.
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    INFP - The Idealists

    I'd like to read something like this on introverted thinking, because some descriptions make it hard ty distinguish between the two introverted judging functions.
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    INFP - The Idealists

    Where does it come from? I'd like to read the extraverted feeling description for comparison if there is one. I've never been able to work out which I am.
    I have just posted the chapter on extraverted feeling.

    I'd like to read something like this on introverted thinking, because some descriptions make it hard ty distinguish between the two introverted judging functions.
    Coming soon...

    Edit: Found it online and it saved me the time of typing it up. Posted in NT forum.
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Quote Originally Posted by Psilo View Post


    In the first case, a very profound relationship of mutual understanding may suddenly come into being, all the wealth of their minds being unlocked to the confidant; sometimes this contact will later be broken off just as suddenly and unexpectedly, in defense of their own vulnerability.
    Have any INFP's had this experience, of opening up to a confidant, and then suddenly and unexpectedly breaking off contact? I recently had an INFP friend open up to me in a profound way, and reading this kind of thing makes me nervous...if any INFP's can help talk me out of my tree, or give me a dose of reality, I would appreciate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygnacia View Post
    Have any INFP's had this experience, of opening up to a confidant, and then suddenly and unexpectedly breaking off contact? I recently had an INFP friend open up to me in a profound way, and reading this kind of thing makes me nervous...if any INFP's can help talk me out of my tree, or give me a dose of reality, I would appreciate it.
    <.<

    I recently broke off all contact with a friend who I was completely open with. She's an INFP too but she wouldn't be open with me much at all...

    The only reason I broke off contact and feel very alienated about it now is because I wasn't, and still aren't sure if the friend likes me much. If I knew that she did, then I would never had stopped talking to her. So I suppose that we're all terrified of opening up to people who may not trust or like us (Even if they've told us that they do!), thus to prevent us from dropping a relationship, we have to know that we matter to someone.


    Urgh, I hope that makes sense. I only just woke up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleepy View Post
    - Fi is also described as finding underlying truth and coherence. This is very important for me to know, because it caused me great confusion at the university. I could be a good and original student who sometimes said smart things, and came up with good ideas. But I was never able to sustain it for longer times. I was going for the truth without intuition. Very draining. I lost my interest, forgot everything I'd just heard and left the library for a coffee instead.

    So if you are an INFP maybe you can get at least something out of these remarks, because they are from the perspective of "INFP-minus-N" so it might help you to isolate your experience of Fi, if you know what I mean.

    Do you find that when you get ideas and try to explain them too? Your have them, and verbalise them - maybe start off with something small, and the flood gates open, and you kind've...channel intuition, like this great vat of power that lights up a sort've expanding mindmap, making you gesticulate wildly, and talk so intensely animatedly, but when you've stopped speaking it's all gone...? You feel the connections, and the ideas, and it's a wonderful, all consuming feeling, which takes over and makes you sort've spazz about. But it's hard to access...

    I'm starting to wonder if I'm an ISFP...

    Hmm, I do find it both draining and energising, people describe it as an 'energy', tell me I'm going 'too fast', but when I stop mid flow I can't find my way back very easily at all, and always have to move about in some way to get ideas going again.

    Does this resonate at all, or am I totally off the mark?
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    Unknown Personality

    Quote Originally Posted by Psilo View Post
    I have just posted the chapter on extraverted feeling.

    Coming soon...

    Edit: Found it online and it saved me the time of typing it up. Posted in NT forum.

    is there one for Ni as well?

    I really appreciate the lengthy descriptions.

    ... he he... we are putting you to work!
    :)
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