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This is a discussion on Extraverted Feeling within the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers forums, part of the Keirsey Temperament Forums category; Originally Posted by Crono That's interesting, though I would actually say that some of us are actually quite aware that ...

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    F Vs. T Balance

    Quote Originally Posted by Crono View Post
    That's interesting, though I would actually say that some of us are actually quite aware that this is a factor, though I'm not sure I can agree with it in its entirety, if I'm reading it the right way. (This concern has inspired me to check a lot of my ideas with thinkers, and, to put effort into developing my own thinking function as a fail-safe to make sure I don't end up becoming entirely situationally dependent). I find that, though my judgments are in relative to the situation/people/feelings involved, I still have my own angle on how I make judgments from the evidence gathered. I'm just inclined to say that, while my way of judging is by no means fully independent, I would find it a little odd to think that it has no independence at all. (Particularly considering, as I mentioned earlier, I do use at least some basic T to double-check things a lot of the time).
    Hello Crono,

    I think we're in the same boat; I agree with the various points made to differing extents, from "very much so", to "not at all" (for example, "even in scientific problems they will take sides in a violently personal way." - I believe myself to be quite rational in my appreciation of science [because really, that's the only way it may be appropriately evaluated - fact is fact, regardless of one's feelings about it...]; however, I can become impassioned in instances when research is either poorly conducted, or misapplied, especially when it has deleterious effects on individuals or society as a whole). My F vs. T preference doesn't rank as strongly as others, so I think I'm generally less apt to fit the archetypal profile of an INFJ in certain regards (and I miss out on some of the "plus", as well as the "minus" as a result), but it also reminded me of the following:

    I think it's also important for all of us to keep in mind for all type and function descriptions, that the descriptions are generally intended to approximate the idealized case (i.e., some examples provided theoretically may fit the description of an individual operating on close to 100% F [however much that's possible in humans - 0% T probably equals a very short lifespan!]), and experience teaches us that ideals are hard to find! Even for peer-reviewed, "expert" advice, I think it's also important to keep in mind that psychometric classification is a somewhat "soft" science (as in, often relying upon derived or "fuzzy" metrics, rather than directly measurable variables - "soft" in this context is obviously not meant to refer to quality or utility), and furthermore, it's has very real, personal implications. It seems likely that the researchers realize that more readily than anyone, and so it seems natural that some bias will "creep in" unintentionally now and again, regardless of the integrity and objectivity of the researcher. Furthermore, it seems that in the process of making the data "user-friendly" (turning measurements and statistics into words), the author's writing style may be misinterpreted, or may unintentionally seem to dismiss or emphasize certain observations. In essence, "something gets lost in translation".

    Your statement about checking your F inclinations with the T crowd is really an exemplary technique. It seems that's precisely why we have two very different judgement functions that seem to operate independently. Each seems to offer the independent perspective the other function requires to maintain balance in the psyche...
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    ENFJ - The Givers

    I am an enfj and I find it difficult to make blanket statements about the inherent right or wrong of a situation. I believe most opinions are subjective and often culturally influenced. I am flexible to other's perspectives. I won't necessarily change my stance, although I have in the past if someone's argument is stronger than my own. In general i find it's important to understand Why people believe the things they believe. For example: I can see and understand the benefit and reasons behind Polygamous marriages even though I myself can't imagine agreeing to that arrangement. I like to be open to others ideas and perspectives; NOT because I have no sense of self nor opinions of my own but that I am not so arrogant to believe I have all the answers. ( my 2 cents )

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    The facial expression theory I dont fully believe for some reason...

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    Unknown Personality

    Quote Originally Posted by Ntuitive View Post
    I have an IFNP Fi friend and she's so caught up in her belief that everyone is so completely different than her and that no one understands her and all this stuff. I'm the only person that "understands" her. But I'm just like.. everyone has their own issues... you might just not know it because they don't go around telling everyone. And I started listing that each of my friends had problems. One friend's roommate committed suicide, one friend's mom died, one friend had cancer, one friend had been addicted to heroin. No one can understand things that people go through. No one can truly understand anyone. I know that most people don't have my way of thinking but that doesn't change my attitude towards myself or other people AT ALL.
    I think what your friend is feeling isn't really an INFP thing or even an Fi thing. I have an ESTP friend who says things like that constantly. I have quite a bit of Fi myself, but I've never been one to go around saying that people don't understand me if something doesn't go my way or someone doesn't react the way I'd hoped. I think that might have to do with other things - possibly with an inability to see how much others understand. Sometimes people can feel exactly the same about something, but neither will understand that because they're both operating on different levels of communication or in different ways. It's always unexpected to me when people say that I'm not listening to them. I always try my hardest to be quiet and pay attention to every part of what someone says and ask questions to show that I'm interested in understanding every detail of what they say and paying attention to everything. But to others that can come off as me not pay attention to what they're saying. :( It's all about perception! :)

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    Unknown Personality

    Quote Originally Posted by muddy120 View Post
    The facial expression theory I dont fully believe for some reason...
    I think it can influence and individual's feelings about how they're feeling or how they felt. But not a ton. Like with this example "An individual who is forced to smile during a social event will actually come to find the event more of an enjoyable experience." Yes, I think they were probably influenced by the smiling, but I don't think that it would measure up to an extreme difference. They couldn't possibly feel as happy as they would have if they'd been smiling because there was so much joy inside them, but I do think that it probably made their brain think that some parts of the situation were more positive than they would've thought if they were glowering at everything. There's also the possibility that, since they're smiling, it changed how people reacted to them. If they look irritated, people might not react as positively to them, but if they're smiling, people would probably react more positively when they were around them, and that would make the entire experience seem a bit more positive.

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    For those of you who are already out of the home and living independent lives from your parents-childhood families, do you ever find yourself idolizing or idealizing those closest to you? Such as coworkers, friends, close family friends?

    In dealing with major depression, the topic of self-esteem came up with a professional I've been speaking to about my deepest concerns (including fears) and I've been more mindful when it comes to my own self-esteem as a result of these questions from her.

    Just yesterday I caught myself comparing myself to others again and thinking, "I wish I could be more like her, she's so logical, straight-forward and hard-working" or "she's such an all-around talented girl" or "he/she's so reliable". Something along those lines, but in doing this I realize I'm almost disempowering myself by giving what energy I DO have to praise and admire the traits and skills of others.

    Hell, I need to conserve that energy and focus that love and feeling towards myself --- self-care, discipline, structure/routine to get my life on track!!
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  8. #17
    INFP - The Idealists

    I can relate to this a lot. I'm tied with my E and I but the functions of the INFP fit me better.

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    I hear it's also true that mature Fi can start to look like Fe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyltalis View Post
    I hear it's also true that mature Fi can start to look like Fe.
    [citation needed]

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyltalis View Post
    I hear it's also true that mature Fi can start to look like Fe.
    Hmmmmmm...wondering the same thing. Where did you read/learn this? I actually have thought something similar. Perhaps when Fe develops fully it would be the same thing.

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