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This is a discussion on Extraverted Feeling within the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers forums, part of the Keirsey Temperament Forums category; Reading both the descriptions on here for Fe and Fi, I still can't figure out which one I use. I ...

  1. #21
    Unknown Personality

    Reading both the descriptions on here for Fe and Fi, I still can't figure out which one I use. I feel like I can relate to both of them.

  2. #22
    INFJ - The Protectors

    Well I'm somewhat confused. I believe myself to be an INFJ for several reasons and I'm fairly sure of this, however after reading the descriptions of Fe and Fi I don't really identify with any of it. I am a emotionally turbulent person but I try to not let it show, I am extremely emotional and value solitude, yet I'm dependant on the approval and love of others. I claim to hate people but at the same time there is nothing else that interests me more than people, truly I love people but they hurt me. I try to restrain my feelings but at the same time I want to throw it in the face of others. When I'm feeling something, it is VERY evident on my face and body language, I am wholly unaware of this, I can't control it even if I try to. I'm like an open book yet nobody knows me. I have ideals but I find it incredibly selfish and plainly stupid to repress ideas from the outside. Shouldn't an inner ideal be based on some form of universal truth, and shouldn't that truth be easier to find with the input from the outside world? Yet my ideals are what compose me and I wouldn't give them up just because someone would disagree. If I don't have my ideals, I don't have anything. I value integrity and uniqueness over all else yet I can fall into a state of mind when all my actions are based on how I think others will percieve me. I am very selfish yet I repress myself and live for others. What the fuck am I? Fe or Fi or Fo or Fa none of it makes any sense at all.

  3. #23
    Unknown Personality

    It weird how I am regarded as an Introvert yet sometimes I feel like I am the complete opposite! I have Extraverted tendencies. Sorry for spelling English is my second language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exarlate View Post
    Well I'm somewhat confused. I believe myself to be an INFJ for several reasons and I'm fairly sure of this, however after reading the descriptions of Fe and Fi I don't really identify with any of it. I am a emotionally turbulent person but I try to not let it show, I am extremely emotional and value solitude, yet I'm dependant on the approval and love of others. I claim to hate people but at the same time there is nothing else that interests me more than people, truly I love people but they hurt me. I try to restrain my feelings but at the same time I want to throw it in the face of others. When I'm feeling something, it is VERY evident on my face and body language, I am wholly unaware of this, I can't control it even if I try to. I'm like an open book yet nobody knows me. I have ideals but I find it incredibly selfish and plainly stupid to repress ideas from the outside. Shouldn't an inner ideal be based on some form of universal truth, and shouldn't that truth be easier to find with the input from the outside world? Yet my ideals are what compose me and I wouldn't give them up just because someone would disagree. If I don't have my ideals, I don't have anything. I value integrity and uniqueness over all else yet I can fall into a state of mind when all my actions are based on how I think others will percieve me. I am very selfish yet I repress myself and live for others. What the fuck am I? Fe or Fi or Fo or Fa none of it makes any sense at all.
    Truth is, they think differently. They come to conclusions and learn in very different ways. This could be helpful to you, I made this post earlier for a different thread:



    As you get older and more experienced, you learn more ways of doing things. These types measure tendencies and what is "normal" for you. Your default state, as it were. Below is described how the INFJ (top) and the INFP (bottom) in 4 steps applies their functions in the process of interacting with the world. Bear in mind that prior experience affects the model below, meaning that if you have already learned something you may skip thinking about that thing and apply what you already know, or look at it in a new way, so the process can change from thing to thing. This model is MOST apparent when learning something *totally brand new* that you have never learned before, and that you know nothing similar to, as you will likely default to this process without thinking about it. Think back to when you last learned something really profound or memorable as you read the below.

    Step 1:
    "INJs' first step and primary focus is using their iNtuition (N) inside their heads (introverted) to understand how Conceptual Principles apply universally as Trends. They use their Heads-up Display to visualize conceptual information and organize it into universally applicable pictures and patterns.
    We shorthand this as: Principles via Ni (introverted iNtuition)."
    VS
    "IFPs' first step and primary focus is using their Feelings (F) inside their heads (introverted) to understand the Meaning of gathered Data and Details. They use their Heads-up Display microscope to feel and experience the power and importance of even the minutest detail.
    Shorthand: Data via Fi (introverted Feeling)."

    Step 2:
    "IFJs' second step of cognition is applying the Principles they came to understand in Step One to individual situations to see the Meaning of Actions by directing their Feelings (F) outside themselves (extraverted), in order to find which Actions will bring the most Meaning to the World.
    Shorthand: Action via Fe (extraverted Feeling)."
    VS.
    "INPs' second step is applying the Data, Details and Conclusions they reached in Step One, to Observing people's Motivations and character by directing their iNtuition (N) outside themselves (extraverted) in order to make Conceptual pictures of individuals and how people work in general.
    Shorthand: Observation via Ne (extraverted iNtuition)."

    Step 3:
    "IFJs' third step of cognition is drawing Data and Details from the Consequences of Actions they made in Step Two, in the form of Thoughts (T) inside their heads (introverted), in order to make Useful Conclusions.
    Shorthand: Data via Ti (introverted Thinking)."
    vs.
    "INPs' third step is applying their Observations of people from Step Two, to finding patterns inside their heads (introverted) from the things they've Experienced with their five Senses (S), to decide on courses of Action based on Linear scenarios and general Consequences.
    Shorthand: Action via Si (introverted Sensing)."

    Step 4:
    "INJs' fourth step and weakest function is applying the specific Data and Conclusions they came to in Step Three to Observing people's Motivations by reaching out (extraverted) and Experiencing people with their five Senses (S).
    Shorthand: Observation via Se (extraverted Sensing)."
    Vs.
    "IFPs' fourth step and weakest function of cognition is using the Consequences of Actions they made in Step Three to see universal Principles, by directing their Thoughts (T) outside themselves (extraverted), in order to make Use of the world.
    Shorthand: Principles via Te (extraverted Thinking)."

    Further detail - and the breakdown of the other types - can be found with my source at the following: A Little Bit of Personality: The Cognition Process in Stick Figures
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  6. #25
    INFJ - The Protectors

    Honestly, that doesn't help me at all. The only part of it that I understood was the Step 1 INFJ, which I identify alot with. The rest just leaves me confused and makes me ask this: how do you KNOW this?
    The last time I learned/was told something new it went like this: First I tried to figure out if it makes sense at all and if the informations is reliable. Secondly, I try to gather a personal understanding of the matter as to more deeply analyze it by shifting perspectives/applying it to hypothetical situations to see how it works out/figuring out whether it's an universal rule or a general occurence, and how it applies to me and the rest of the world. Thirdly, I try to come to a conclusion, either if it's false/true, whether the truth value is important at all and whether me believeing it or not makes any difference. If it doesn't, I leave it as an open question, meaning I am open to the possibility but don't fully adopt it into my worldview.

  7. #26

    Quote Originally Posted by exarlate View Post
    Honestly, that doesn't help me at all. The only part of it that I understood was the Step 1 INFJ, which I identify alot with. The rest just leaves me confused and makes me ask this: how do you KNOW this?
    The last time I learned/was told something new it went like this: First I tried to figure out if it makes sense at all and if the informations is reliable. Secondly, I try to gather a personal understanding of the matter as to more deeply analyze it by shifting perspectives/applying it to hypothetical situations to see how it works out/figuring out whether it's an universal rule or a general occurence, and how it applies to me and the rest of the world. Thirdly, I try to come to a conclusion, either if it's false/true, whether the truth value is important at all and whether me believeing it or not makes any difference. If it doesn't, I leave it as an open question, meaning I am open to the possibility but don't fully adopt it into my worldview.
    How do i know? It's from the link I posted at the bottom of my first post.

    That sounds exactly like the INFP model, actually. This is not to say that you are somehow wrong on being INFJ; the only person that can truly type you is yourself. However, as you seem confused by what I posted, here is a clarification in my own words and my reasoning that you fit the INFP model.

    INFP first determines value according to how they feel about it, though it is more complex than that. By checking reliability and seeing if it makes sense, you are undergoing the process of evaluating, and you appear to be doing so from a standpoint of how you relate to the data first. That's Introverted Feeling.

    INFPs next determine the effectiveness of the data through Extraverted Intuition, which involves connecting the dots and examining the inter-relatedness of things. By doing this, the INFP come to understand other people or situations and how they fit into the world in order to relate those objects or ideas to where they fit within the world.

    INFPs then follow up this analysis with Action, which they execute in accordance with Introverted Sensing. They do this by looking at their own experiences and memories as well as the impressions they have of things that exist in the real world; this means that they perceive the nature of an object or idea or other part of the world, and replicate that thing within their mind as they are deciding what it does and what it is for. When Si and Ne work together, a person is concerned both with what IS and WAS as well as what COULD BE. So the decision comes from your understanding of what IS, fed by the information gained in steps one and two the value you see it as having couple with the potential uses that you see. Highly undeveloped INFPs may sometimes skip this step.

    INFPs finish the cognitive process with Extraverted Thinking, which is the application of principles that you believe will work within the objective world. This is the application of logic and a rational process to achieve a result. As the INFP does this last, they have already taken action by this point; this means that Te is being used to learn from mistakes and to generate a framework that will work for this sort of situation in the future. Undeveloped INFPs may skip this step.

    Does that help at all?

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    Thanks for this post :D
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    An individual of this type really only sees himself and his own life as reflected in his relationships with other people and in their opinions of himself. Hence he is very susceptible to praise and criticism. Encouragement will very quickly intensify and extend a reaction of feeling, while a comment or an objection which cannot be refuted may exert an exceedingly depressing influence on his spirits. Especially where some uncertainty might exist in regard to agreement between his own views and those generally current does he feel it absolutely necessary to prove to the world that his own feelings are right. While under the influence of powerful feelings, such people are able to exert great influence in their environment, particularly if they find support for their feelings in followers and onlookers. With most people of this type, however, feelings are expressed less in impressive actions than in the creation of a harmonious atmosphere. In their relationship with those around them they do their best to insist on friendliness and fair play, and they are usually conscientious and orderly even in small matters. Since they make similar demands on others, they frequently come into conflict with others, who do not always see the same necessity. Their punctiliousness may degenerate into pettiness, and occasionally such people may become very tiresome and pernickety about details. They will "go on" endlessly about something they feel to be wrong, and since they attach universal validity to the judgments of their feeling, they cannot stop trying to convince others. As a result, they may be tiring to those around them, in spite of their kindness and friendliness. In their persistence we see again the significance of will for this type. They may give themselves up with extraordinary self sacrifice and devotion to those whom they love, and to the purpose to which they have set themselves.

    Story of my life!

  10. #29

    I find myself looking for connection as wel despite possesing Fi, or at least an idea where I stand mentally and emotionally with the environment around me...

    It is just that, being introverted it works differently in this way then an extrovert would experience wherein I get a sense introverted feelings remained unexamined and perhaps, are often a source of discomfort, and often I find many seek to avoid them.

    I suppose thus you become associated with being a Debbir Downer.


     
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