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This is a discussion on Mafia: Monopoly Mafia Game Thread. Mafia Win within the Past Games forums, part of the Mafia category; Originally Posted by Because_why_not Well you're on EDT aren't you? So 12:30 is pretty late I guess. Yes it is, ...

  1. #501

    Quote Originally Posted by Because_why_not View Post
    Well you're on EDT aren't you? So 12:30 is pretty late I guess.
    Yes it is, especially since I've been up since 5:45 a.m. *snore*

  2. #502

    Quote Originally Posted by Glenda Gnome Starr View Post
    Yes it is, especially since I've been up since 5:45 a.m. *snore*
    Go to sleep. Have sweet dreams. Wake up. Get some breakfast. Do typical morning stuff. Then come on and answer my real questions for me :P

  3. #503

    Any questions for me, gnome?

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  5. #504

    Quote Originally Posted by Because_why_not View Post
    I'm not tunnelling.
    OK, well, you seemed a bit fixated on ABodyOccupier, which caused a dramatic negative reaction. How would you define "tunneling"?



    What do you think of Ash and AAADD using the noob card to his defence?
    Disliked that. The noob card didn't really apply to ABodyOccupier because this player seemed to know too much about mafia and about roles and about stuff that I'd never heard of ("bloodless N0) to qualify for the noob description.



    Where do you see her as aggressive or anyone say that she's aggressive.

    Also, she seemed to come in faaaairly passively. It was only when she came in saying he agreed, then after debate, took her vote off but said she could go back, then when questioned said that she actually meant that she thought about the information a lynch would provide and doesn't want a no lynch (which again, if she didn't want it, she wouldn't have left the door open for it).

    The only attention she's got has been given to her, not something she's sought out (contrast her to Body). I'm curious to see where you think otherwise.
    Hmmm, you could be right, although she did go on for some time about the lynch vs. no lynch. She got quite irritated and a bit argumentative, but not in a solvey sort of way. More in a defensive, annoyed sort of way. She even suggested that you could be scum:

    Here is Golden Candle, describing her perceptions of your play style in message #356 : "you know, BNW you are kinda somewhat over-doing it on the rudeness and harshness towards a few of us (including me) at times, and we have literally kinda just started...also I know I'm innocent but I actually feel like no matter what I say you find a problem in it (thank God we ain't a couple, whew). i am wondering if you're covering something? One could question whether you are over-compensating with this false sense of passion. Could you be scum?"



    If he makes good points about Goldie, why do you read her as null and not address them to show your otherwise thinking?
    I'm not sure. I'd like to read more from Goldie tomorrow. When I say null, it means that I'm still quite undecided. But this is an interesting perspective from Desthro:

    (#370)
    "Golden Candle is just. . . like the nice version of Kaboomz. I hate it. Everything about it makes me want to kill her. At least with Kaboomz he's actually getting information and making people fight and developing leads. This just reads like grossness…" Desthro then votes Golden Candle.

    At this point, I'll have to go with a "wait and see" approach about a more definite reading of Golden Candle. Specifically, I'd like to see how Golden Candle responds to Desthro's descriptions of her play, since Desthro obviously sees Golden Candle as scum.


    What points did you like and why don't you think she could be scum in counter to them?
    I still think that she is drawing a lot of attention to herself. I don't know why scum would do that. It seems to be counter productive for scum to invite a lynch. But, as I previously mentioned, I'd like to see her response to Desthro's scum read.



    [QUOTE]Not to your read or analysis here but this whole thing is frustrating [/QOUTE]
    yes.



    I don't know. I've seen what she's like in the Spam World. I also remember she wanted to get this game going. Her contrast is a bit "huh?" to me and why would she be apologetic?
    Well, for one thing, she has difficulty with the English language. She took a look at the mafia guide for newbies and didn't understand it. I think that she feels out of her element in Mafia and more confident in spam world. Some newbies have a really tough time understanding how to play mafia. I think that she needs some encouragement. I don't know, however, why she would apologize, though. That's a little confusing.

  6. #505

    Quote Originally Posted by ABodyOccupier View Post
    Any questions for me, gnome?
    Yes.
    Who are your biggest town reads at the moment?
    Who are your biggest scum reads?
    If you were to change your mind about "no lynch," who would you vote and why?

  7. #506

    Quote Originally Posted by Because_why_not View Post
    Go to sleep. Have sweet dreams. Wake up. Get some breakfast. Do typical morning stuff. Then come on and answer my real questions for me :P
    OK, will do. Very sleepy. I did answer a bunch of questions, despite my sleepy state. Please feel free to ask follow-up questions. I'll be looking for more from @Golden Candle , especially a response to @Desthro 's scum read. That will determine whether or not I move her to my scum pile. In the meantime, I'll keep my vote on @Dark NiTe .

    Good night! Off I go!

  8. #507

    Quote Originally Posted by Glenda Gnome Starr View Post
    OK, well, you seemed a bit fixated on ABodyOccupier, which caused a dramatic negative reaction. How would you define "tunneling"?
    Tunnelling down on someone. Pick at something and go deeper and deeper with it.

    I haven't been fixed with him, because I'm also looking elsewhere too. The last time I spoke to him was last night, which was a response to something directly addressing me. The reasons why I think he could be scum has developed from what he's said (or refused to say) which has come about in its own course. By saying this is tunnelling, everyone tunnels someone.

    I didn't cause his negative reaction - he did that on his own. It's one of the problems I have with him.

    Disliked that. The noob card didn't really apply to ABodyOccupier because this player seemed to know too much about mafia and about roles and about stuff that I'd never heard of ("bloodless N0) to qualify for the noob description.
    So what does that make you think of Ash and AAADD? Why do you think they would do that?

    Hmmm, you could be right, although she did go on for some time about the lynch vs. no lynch. She got quite irritated and a bit argumentative, but not in a solvey sort of way. More in a defensive, annoyed sort of way. She even suggested that you could be scum:

    Here is Golden Candle, describing her perceptions of your play style in message #356 : "you know, BNW you are kinda somewhat over-doing it on the rudeness and harshness towards a few of us (including me) at times, and we have literally kinda just started...also I know I'm innocent but I actually feel like no matter what I say you find a problem in it (thank God we ain't a couple, whew). i am wondering if you're covering something? One could question whether you are over-compensating with this false sense of passion. Could you be scum?"
    Yeah she did. It's pretty OMGUS though, not aggressive play (it's reactive, not active). It's also less calling out that I associate with aggressive play because it's more passive. It's not a critique of her or her play, it's just that I don't think it's aggressive, which is neither a good nor a bad thing.

    How do you interpret that post?

    I'm not sure. I'd like to read more from Goldie tomorrow. When I say null, it means that I'm still quite undecided. But this is an interesting perspective from Desthro:

    (#370)
    "Golden Candle is just. . . like the nice version of Kaboomz. I hate it. Everything about it makes me want to kill her. At least with Kaboomz he's actually getting information and making people fight and developing leads. This just reads like grossness…" Desthro then votes Golden Candle.

    At this point, I'll have to go with a "wait and see" approach about a more definite reading of Golden Candle. Specifically, I'd like to see how Golden Candle responds to Desthro's descriptions of her play, since Desthro obviously sees Golden Candle as scum.
    Why are you undecided though which is what I want to know. If you like his points, that means you must think they're valid to him in a way and can see the potential. But why do you not see the same in her? What would be holding you back from joining your Town read who you seemingly agree with?

    I still think that she is drawing a lot of attention to herself. I don't know why scum would do that. It seems to be counter productive for scum to invite a lynch. But, as I previously mentioned, I'd like to see her response to Desthro's scum read.
    Ugh I was reacting point by point and so you've answered here. However this leads back to what I said before. Compare Goldie to Body. You can see how the latter intentionally brought attention to themselves, the former didn't, and actually did the "I unvoted but I want to keep the chance but I said I unvoted so I don't want it, didn't I?" Which to me reads about wanting to get attention away rather than wanting to attract it.

    Well, for one thing, she has difficulty with the English language. She took a look at the mafia guide for newbies and didn't understand it. I think that she feels out of her element in Mafia and more confident in spam world. Some newbies have a really tough time understanding how to play mafia. I think that she needs some encouragement. I don't know, however, why she would apologize, though. That's a little confusing.
    She doesn't seem to have any trouble with English when she's in the Spam World talking about... hmm how can I put this in the most appropriate way for the setting and situation while holding respect too... (I give up. Spam World gonna Spam World)

    Either way as a character, she then doesn't seem like someone to shy away. I don't know her, I've only seen her around occasionally, and I will take your point about a new setting being out of the comfort zone, but there was no hint of that before so the contrast just seems odd to me.

  9. #508

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    Vote Count


    1 @AAD38 : Dark NiTe
    0 @Desthro
    0 @daleks_exterminate
    1 @Golden Candle : Desthro
    0 @darcstar3
    3 @Dark NiTe : AshOrley, Kaboomz, Glenda Gnome Starr
    0 @Kaboomz
    0 @Because_why_not
    0 @Glenda Gnome Starr
    1 @ABodyOccupier : Because_why_not
    0 @atamagasuita
    0 @AshOrLey :
    0 @lolthevoidlol
    1 No Lynch: ABodyOccupier
    6 Not voting: Daleks_Exterminate, Golden Candle, Darcstar3, atamagasuita, lolthevoidlol, AAD38


    History:
     

    Quote Originally Posted by AshOrLey View Post
    <<Vote Dark NiTe>>
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaboomz View Post
    if they were teamed i don't see the point in darc stating she believes what he just said. it's like "i will shade you...then hold your hand"


    <<Vote Dark Nite>>


    will see where this goes at least

    i may be asleep very soon soon but i can play in morning before work
    Quote Originally Posted by Glenda Gnome Starr View Post
    OK, Gnome's impressions:

    Void: Innocent child. Confirmed town.

    BWN: Quite aggressive, at times tunneling, mainly of Golden Candle and ABodyOccupier, mainly about should we lynch or not lynch on day one. It can be frustrating to be the recipient of BWN's tunneling, and both recipients expressed their frustration, sometimes rather aggressively. Nevertheless, aggressive does seem to be BWN's town play, and I would give BWN a town read.

    ABodyOccupier: Also aggressive and seems to react to BWN somewhat defensively. This player is definitely not a newbie to Mafia although a newbie to PerC's version. Talks a lot about mechanics ("bloodless N1, which exists in other forums). Too much time devoted to mechanics is not helpful to town. Being that insistent on no lynch is also not helpful to town. Nevertheless, this player does not come across as scummy, probably because he is drawing a lot of attention to himself, which is something that scum doesn't want to do. They're too eager to get in the first NK and wouldn't want to draw a lynch to themselves by presenting attitude. I would read ABodyOccupier as town but so much talk about mechanics and so much debate about no lynch makes me put him in the null category.

    AAD38: In message #132 , AAD38 says: It is also common to lynch someone on Day 1. You'd better not expect for a no lynch to happen. It's tradition to decide on someone, and just hoping for the best. This will create most information (a lynch + a nightkill) to work further with on Day 2, is how this play gets defended. Later, AAD38 unvotes and then votes no lynch. AAD38 acknowledges mental health issues so I don't know what to make of this so I will read this player as null. I hope you feel better soon, AAD38.

    kaboomz: At first, I was suspicious of kaboomz for seeming to buddy me because I remembered a game where he nearly got me lynched by doing exactly that. He seems to be involved but I haven't really seen much scum hunting, so I will read this player as null.

    AshOrLey: Always an entertaining player. Needs cats. Asking some good questions but I'd like to see more scum hunting. I don't have any definite read on AshOrLey so I will give her a null read.

    Golden Candle: Playing very aggressively. Got into the lynch/no lynch battle, which became a three-way fight between Golden Candle, ABodyOccupier, and BWN. I have never played in a game with Golden Candle. Apparently, she is an aggressive player. She was NKed for aggressiveness in an earlier game. I'm not sure how much scum hunting Golden Candle has done so I will have to read Golden Candle as null. Once again, as with ABodyOccupier, I am not convinced that she is scum because she's attracting so much attention to herself.

    Desthro: Started late. Got into reading and scum hunting immediately. Makes a lot of good points about Golden Candle. I think that this player said a lot in a few posts so I will read Desthro as town.

    Daleks_exterminate: Has said very little. Doesn't like to play on day one. Null.

    atamagasuita: Definitely a newbie. Expresses a great deal of cluelessness. You remind me of me in my first five...ten... not sure how many games. Mafia has its own language. Stay with it, Atamaga. You can do it. Null read.

    Dark NiTe: I've already shared my impressions of this player. Null but leaning scummy.

    Well. As of now, I have a few town reads and a lot of null reads. I think that scum is probably lurking in the null reads. I just don't have strong reads yet.

    So, for now, I will place my vote here:

    <<vote:Dark NiTe>>


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  10. #509

    Okay, so I don't wanna do a Kito-Poxy on Atama-Daleks,

    And quite some people look townly at this point, few I am not sure what to think,

    Dark NiTe is definitly one who I still don't know what to think of,

    Given it more time, he does fail to look as townly as quite some others,

    So I guess, let's go for that, unless he shows more

    <<Vote Dark NiTe>>

  11. #510

    LMFAO. Spend the day enjoying myself with friends, come home to find more votes for me than pertinent quotes (none) and mentions. Only thing missing is the "gotcha" votes from @Because_why_not and @lolthevoidlol .



    <<vote: Dark NiTe




     
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