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This is a discussion on Are Mandatory Vaccines Unethical? within the Science and Technology forums, part of the Topics of Interest category; Originally Posted by Nicomendes Saiyedros In short, the whole vaccination problem exists only because civilization exists. If people didn't live ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicomendes Saiyedros View Post
    In short, the whole vaccination problem exists only because civilization exists. If people didn't live in such high population densities (a fundamental feature of civilization), almost no one would be affected when an infectious disease broke out and vaccinations therefore probably wouldn't even exist. And if people weren't forced to participate in the market economy to survive (another feature of civ), those who didn't want to abide by rules like vaccination requirements could more easily opt out.
    Well... yes and no. It's easier for illnesses to spread and such and the damage is a lot bigger. On the other hand, in a small tribe, the whole tribe could be wiped out by a single strain of disease. Worst case there are traders that bring the illness from town to town and spread the thing a lot more.
    I agree that the concentration of people can make for easier spreading and it's definitely not healthier than smaller towns, but don't underestimate how much damage can be done without this civilization thing we've got going on.

    On the subject of the thread:
    I think it's not a crazy idea to say vaccinations could be mandatory. Just like paying taxes and sticking to traffic rules, this could be a mandatory thing. I would personally not be opposed to it, but I know there are people that don't trust the government enough to allow something like this. In theory a system like this could be abused by an ill-meaning government. I don't think such a thing is likely, but I can see how this would be a problem for some people.
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  2. #22

    Quote Originally Posted by The red spirit View Post
    Your question is open ended and there's an option for answer 'unethical', therefore this thread definitely implies that the discussed topic can even be questioned and you most likely want to see two sides discussing, but you must know, that such threads most likely result into flame wars of two sides.
    I do want to see "two sides" discussing and reading people's opinion on this. I don't think its as black and white that people make it seem. Yes, vaccines protect against disease, that is why we have eradicated smallpox and polio is not a prevalent disease in western countries anymore but the ethics of making a medical procedure mandatory is a little scary. Like I mentioned above, I wish everyone wanted to get vaccinated and their children vaccinated. I believe it is the healthier option however, I would not like the government to force people to do it. I guess I would be concerned that it could pave the way for other mandatory procedures. I just don't know if I want the government that heavily involved in what I choose to do with my body.

    @Rumell the Ultimate even posted all of the myths below about vaccines which I appreciate. I think the more people see that hopefully more people will be vaccinated. I also think it is important to have discussions that are not just attacking people, or calling them stupid which I think a lot of discussions has changed to today. Not saying that anyone is doing this right now or on this thread but I do see it a lot on social media when it comes to this topic.

  3. #23

    Quote Originally Posted by Sour Roses View Post
    I think mandatory vaccines are appropriate if:

    [A] The disease is potentially life threatening even to those NOT already ill.

    [B] The disease is highly contagious.

    [C] The vaccine is highly effective.


    All three of those have to be in place for me to consider it reasonable.
    For instance the flu vaccine would be wrong to make mandatory because the efficacy is ridiculously inadequate, and the frequency of recommended administration is high. No one wants to be forced to get a questionable shot twice a year for something that most people don't have a big problem with.
    (I have never in my life gotten the flu or the shot, or even a cold for that matter)

    A mandatory vaccine against the chicken pox would just be stupid considering it doesn't imperil life or limb.

    But the most basic vital vaccine set and boosters makes a lot of sense. One thing I really do wish doctors did was separate the vaccines out a bit more. As it is with these 5 in 1's, if someone did have an allergic reaction it is impossible to tell which one caused the issue. People can have allergic side effects from a few vaccines, and if they aren't vital then they shouldn't have to get the same one again in a booster set just to receive the others.

    When it comes to the anti-vaxxer crowd, I often think there is a simple solution the medical community seems really resistant to considering.
    More studies, performed by unaffiliated agencies, on post-24 hour vaccine side effects. As it is the only reaction studies we have fall within a 24hr window.
    Obviously someone has to be a special kind of stupid to believe there's any link to autism after all the debunking that has been done, but there are still some other concerns.
    For instance, I'd love to see blood titer based comparison studies of efficacy with vaccines given individually versus 3 or 5 in 1's.
    I'd like to see studies of patients recently vaccinated being exposed to other unvaccinated viruses / bacteria with a control group exposed that is not vaccinated at all... and if there's an impact on infection (temporary immune system depression), what is the window of time that the effect lasts for? Should people get vaccinated on a weekend to protect themselves from other infections?
    Well, like I said, the medical community seems reluctant to address these sorts of questions. They want the general populace to operate completely on trust, but that isn't a good way to relieve persistent anxieties. If they would take concerns more seriously, I think the anti-vaxxer movement would die off for good.
    I think you bring up some really great points! Haha that would be ridiculous if they made the flu a required shot I can maybe see why if they can infect someone who has a weakened immune system but they are just so terrible at getting the strains right... I don't blame them influenza can mutate like crazy and there are just so many of them. I also agree that if the medical community took them more seriously then it would help but they just call them crazy and they just continue to reject the medical community.

    @Monadnock I agree with that... up until the lethal point but I think if you really do not want your kids vaccinated there should be other routes or another option.

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    Okay, sorry for posting like three times in a row but I would just like to add that a lot of communities have distrust in the medical field. I know a lot of people don't trust their government but the medical community has also gotten away with some shitty stuff. Ex: Tuskegee experiment, and HeLa cells. Just a point I would like to add since some people don't understand why people may not want to be vaccinated.
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  6. #25

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashes4719 View Post
    I do want to see "two sides" discussing and reading people's opinion on this. I don't think its as black and white that people make it seem. Yes, vaccines protect against disease, that is why we have eradicated smallpox and polio is not a prevalent disease in western countries anymore but the ethics of making a medical procedure mandatory is a little scary. Like I mentioned above, I wish everyone wanted to get vaccinated and their children vaccinated. I believe it is the healthier option however, I would not like the government to force people to do it. I guess I would be concerned that it could pave the way for other mandatory procedures. I just don't know if I want the government that heavily involved in what I choose to do with my body.
    Do you have any reasons for not vaccinating yourself? You just said, that they are helpful and protects us. BTW if you are talking about US only stuff, I'm out. Here in Europe, people are vaccinated for free and it's mandatory. You can rebel and be "I don't need vaccines", but you are only a fool. It's a fact, that they help and that you have higher chances of not being ill with them, rather than without them. It's much scarier to be with people, who don't vaccinate, because they not only put themselves at risk, but also others (at least they increases probability of others being infected).

    Also what's so scary about mandatory medicine procedures? I can understand blood testing as it can cause more trouble than there was in certain cases, but really, most of the tests and procedures are quick, don't need impaling skin and hurting people. Even impaling once a few years is a small price for few year of much higher safety.



    Quote Originally Posted by Ashes4719 View Post
    Rumell the Ultimate even posted all of the myths below about vaccines which I appreciate. I think the more people see that hopefully more people will be vaccinated. I also think it is important to have discussions that are not just attacking people, or calling them stupid which I think a lot of discussions has changed to today. Not saying that anyone is doing this right now or on this thread but I do see it a lot on social media when it comes to this topic.
    lol I just did that one post ago. I think, it's quite fun sometimes to see people cursing at each other on internet, because it's a big contrast of how discussion would happen irl. All hail hateful flaming wars! XD

    Edit: I just read your other post and I can say that flu vacs are mandatory, where I live and have been that way since I was born. Still, I somehow got ill and it complicated to ear inflamation. Ear inflammation at first caused me to have severe orientation problems and later permanent deafness.
    Last edited by The red spirit; 04-16-2019 at 06:58 AM.

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    Sad to see so many brainwashed people worshiping at the altar of big pharma here.

    It's absolutely unethical for the same reason medical experimentation on human beings without their consent was deemed a crime against humanity in the Nuremberg trials.
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  8. #27

    Quote Originally Posted by Euclid View Post
    Sad to see so many brainwashed people worshiping at the altar of big pharma here.
    Sad to see people not reading Biology textbooks anymore.

  9. #28

    Quote Originally Posted by The red spirit View Post
    Do you have any reasons for not vaccinating yourself? You just said, that they are helpful and protects us. BTW if you are talking about US only stuff, I'm out. Here in Europe, people are vaccinated for free and it's mandatory. You can rebel and be "I don't need vaccines", but you are only a fool. It's a fact, that they help and that you have higher chances of not being ill with them, rather than without them. It's much scarier to be with people, who don't vaccinate, because they not only put themselves at risk, but also others (at least they increases probability of others being infected).

    Also what's so scary about mandatory medicine procedures? I can understand blood testing as it can cause more trouble than there was in certain cases, but really, most of the tests and procedures are quick, don't need impaling skin and hurting people. Even impaling once a few years is a small price for few year of much higher safety.

    lol I just did that one post ago. I think, it's quite fun sometimes to see people cursing at each other on internet, because it's a big contrast of how discussion would happen irl. All hail hateful flaming wars! XD

    Edit: I just read your other post and I can say that flu vacs are mandatory, where I live and have been that way since I was born. Still, I somehow got ill and it complicated to ear inflamation. Ear inflammation at first caused me to have severe orientation problems and later permanent deafness.
    I think things are getting miscommunicated here. I am vaccinated and I have stated in multiple posts that I am for vaccinations. I wish that all people would see the benefit of getting vaccinated. I guess my point is that I do not like the idea of forcing people to do things to their body if they don't want it. I also am not necessarily worried about vaccines in themselves but what it will mean in the future for medical regulation in the US specifically. It is easier to talk about the US since I live here and I am not super familiar with the laws in Europe.

    I think you make valid points but I am confused as to what you are talking about with arguments? I have read all of the posts and no one has really been arguing only starting their opinion and why they back it up. I am not trying to be aggressive when I write this but you have really been the only one to use the word "fool" or try to start an argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashes4719 View Post
    I think things are getting miscommunicated here. I am vaccinated and I have stated in multiple posts that I am for vaccinations. I wish that all people would see the benefit of getting vaccinated. I guess my point is that I do not like the idea of forcing people to do things to their body if they don't want it. I also am not necessarily worried about vaccines in themselves but what it will mean in the future for medical regulation in the US specifically. It is easier to talk about the US since I live here and I am not super familiar with the laws in Europe.
    And it's easier for me to talk about EU, because US makes no sense to me. How many times I will have to repeat, that perC is international forum and US is only a small part of it.

    BTW what solutions do you have for "I do not like the idea of forcing people to do things to their body if they don't want it"? Something other than becoming an antivaxxer.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ashes4719 View Post
    I think you make valid points but I am confused as to what you are talking about with arguments? I have read all of the posts and no one has really been arguing only starting their opinion and why they back it up. I am not trying to be aggressive when I write this but you have really been the only one to use the word "fool" or try to start an argument.
    Because someone with that attitude will come there and shit will start.

  11. #30

    Quote Originally Posted by Euclid View Post
    Sad to see so many brainwashed people worshiping at the altar of big pharma here.

    It's absolutely unethical for the same reason medical experimentation on human beings without their consent was deemed a crime against humanity in the Nuremberg trials.
    If big pharma was in power we wouldn't have vaccines.


     
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