This is a discussion on The Number 1 Reason to Become Vegan within the Science and Technology forums, part of the Topics of Interest category; Originally Posted by BenevolentBitterBleeding Fux hot crazy chix. i heard all of those ones hang out with the carnivores, shh ...
Okay but what if I don't care about any of that.
I'm still against factory farming. I just think my own efforts would've been better served advocating against that type of slaughter and buying my meat products from local free range farms rather than abstaining altogether. Most people need meat. It is one of the most nutritious foods in existence, especially organ meats like liver. Over time, I've come to prioritize my own existence above that of animals, just as all animals prioritize their own existence above that of over animals.
If you're someone who can't subsist without meat, then yeah, consume it in the best ways you can. But for most of the population, meat isn't a need, so for them, the act of killing is unnecessary and therefore wrong... especially when it's done so often (3x a day by many Americans). For them, it's not prioritizing their existence/health over other animals -- it's prioritizing personal pleasure over other animals.
I say we just start eating people. Let's start churning out that Soylent Green, baby. Then it's a win-win. Better for the environment, the precious animals, and everything. We can start with the migrants, cuz nobody knows what to do with them anyway.
I'm just going to say this. Take it as you will. This world is not what you think it is. The only reality is the one that exists inside of you. Ever hear about Jung's crazy vision he had while in the hospital in 1944? I'll just quote one little part, but I highly recommend the book Memories, Dreams, Reflections. He writes that, after going up into space and looking at the Earth from high above, he realizes he has to go back:
"Disappointed, I thought, 'Now I must return to the "box system" again.' For it seemed to me as if behind the horizon of the cosmos a three-dimensional world had been artificially built up, in which each person sat by himself in a little box."
Do you see? We all sit alone in a little box. My world is not your world is not another's world. We cannot dictate morality to one another. The beauty of this system is that it is not bureaucratic! Your truth is not someone else's truth. Nor is theirs yours. We are here to love each other and support one another on our individual journeys, not try to gather, by hook or by crook, everyone onto the same page. Would you enjoy reading a one-page book? Please, do not bore God to death. He would like to read an 8,000,000,000 page book. Just work on your page, and make it interesting.
I was hardcore vegetarian for 7 years. And a big, fat loudmouth about it, too. I spent HOURS, DAYS, WEEKS, MONTHS, YEARS working on my propaganda. I almost got banned from my favorite coffee shop because I was leaving color photos of animal torture all over the place. Please, the people begged, just let me drink my cappuccino!!! For the love of God!
And I had health issues. Just sayin'. I never had a regular cycle. A doctor told me I'd never be able to get pregnant (she was a real genius). When my husband and I went on our first date (this is a cool story), I ordered the vegetarian enchiladas....and, at the last second, added, "And a plate of bacon!" Then I proceeded to eat half a package of bacon a day for weeks. And in 4-5 months, I was pregnant with our first child. It is apparent to me that I had a nutritional deficiency. My sister has been vegetarian since she was 12, I think. Now she's 37, and married. She is desperately depressed that she can't get pregnant. But will she try eating meat? Nope. That is strange to me. Her morals have overridden her own happiness. And I think THAT is a sin.
Maybe this is the riddle:
If one believes in moral subjectivity, then morality is objective.
If one believes in moral objectivity, then morality is subjective.
The number 1 reason to become a vegan....
is to impress the hot vegan chick?
Being vegan has no impact . There's no overall purpose to being vegan, except for having a clean conscience. Animals aren't going to stop being slaughtered. The production will just increase, because of the rapid population increase in LEDCS. Converting everyone to vegans against their own will is an option, but that's unethical as well.
I don't understand the concept of veganism. The whole reason people are alive right now is because of experimentation on animals. We wouldn't be able to create cures and advance as high in society without animal sacrifices. Basically if we stop, that's potentially ruining the lives of millions of people. All vegans have indirectly used animals, so are they even morally clean? That is, unless they haven't used any vaccinations and products made by animals.
We also need the nutrients derived from animals. Vegans can't drink milk and milk is an important. There are so many things we need of animals. It's not just meat. There are people, who need a high source of of these just to survive. Beans and pulses don't cut it.
Hypothetically, if the whole world was vegan, then what would happen? The whole natural balance would be put off. Animal reproduce rapidly. This would overall increase the carbon footprint, because of the methane gas. 14 percent of the earth's greenhouse gases are made from agriculture. That's with the rapid killing.
A lot of biology tests on life spans are cherry picked. Just like how they say Ribena is full of vitamin c. They pick a sample that's in high vitamin c and advertise it. I'm sure that being vegan does not increase your life expectancy. It should actually decrease it.
The best thing to do would be ethical killing.
Last edited by RandomDudeOnTheInternet; 06-26-2019 at 07:57 PM.
People are not going to turn vegan fast enough to lower the impact on the planet significantly, to help the planet we have to develop sustainable agriculture practices, and people can help by understanding how to reduce meat consumption which is a far more realistic and doable goal, such as through the Mediterranean model. Depending on where someone lives, buying local while still eating some meat or animal products could be more sustainable (for both the person and the planet) than becoming vegan and buying imported processed goods or supplements.
But also it's a convenient thing for all the huge corporations to shift the burden of fixing the planet on every single person through their diet instead of taking up their fair, big share of blame due to their manufacturing practices, to save their $$profit.
Nutritionally, a vegan diet has a high chance to certainty for malnourishment, disruption of hormonal balance and overall well being mental and physical (I've seen interesting testimonies from ex vegans about having very unstable moods), especially for the average person who does not have the time to research how to do this properly. And even when they do, success is low and will highly depend on where they live and how much access they have to the necessary variety needed. And the dependence on supplements (aka pharma companies) that is unavoidable is not exactly something to be happy about, not to mention how some supplements easily fail to give the effect they advertise (i.e. omega-3s).