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    phrenology beliefs and mental health / functioning, etc

    i have came across phrenology through coincidence as i was looking at the whole forehead size and shape and types, such as narrow / sloped / sharp forehead, broad forehead and such. i wanted to post the links to the information i got that was a concern to me, however, i unfortunately do not have enough points to do so.

    if you search "forehead size and personality", it should be from the first 3 websites,,, and i have many strong points and viewpoints on the whole forehead aspects. but basically, i was gonna say for one, i do NOT believe phrenology is pseudoscience at all, i believe it's 100 percent valid and true, and the reason why it hasn't really come up as far or accepted is simply because most people aren't viewing it or understanding it the way that it should be.

    for example, a lot of people will look at it in a black and white way such as one person saying that, we'll if i have a broad forehead or bigger forehead, i ought to be intelligent or smarter than someone who has a narrower / smaller forehead. now my response to this is, in general, YES, you would be, however, it's how you would define "intelligence". i'll explain my reasoning here. if you compare someone with a relatively narrow forehead to someone with a average forehead size, so that it's noticably bigger and / or just broad in general, assuming that both people have been raised in more or less the same environment, circumstances, etc, AND also have the same personality, then the person with the more narrow forehead will be less functional due to a physiological limitation.

    i mean, you can't argue with something physiological like that. i think this is where most of the confusion came with phrenology or related subjects is that we are asking the wrong questions or looking things in the wrong way, and therefore getting a flawed or illogical understanding of what we are looking at. now i don't know for sure if the exact information i am trying to get raised in awareness would necessarily be phrenology, as there is also craniometry, which according to the wikipedia is the study of skull size, weight and shape, which if i was judging by the definition here, it seems that craniometry may be even more accurate in trying to explain what i'm trying to explain.

    now, i brought all this up because it's something that concerns me a lot, because i suffer from severe depression and other commorbid problems, suicide is something i plan on eventually doing, and what i noticed is that, this whole forehead aspect really makes logical sense, and i always was more on the physiological side to things / genes / nature, rather than nurture being more of an influence or environment, because when i have observed myself and a lot of the qualitative problems i have, etc, yes, it is from unique circumstances, environment, personality, etc, however, i feel like even if all the external stuff or upbringing stuff was more balanced, i believe that the whole physiological aspect would be more of the limitation, further made worse by personality.

    if you observe and go look at those sites i mentioned, the narrow forehead type and sharp forehead in one of the sites are basically the inferior types, and i'm not using just one source to validate this. when i have observed all the people around me, from everywhere from different backgrounds, personalities, and what not in person, the ones that were functional were ALWAYS the ones with more broader / bigger foreheads. the ones with narrow forehead types who function "well" exist of course, but to the degree and qualitative way that those with broad or bigger foreheads do, or normal sized ones.

    i did mention all this to my psychologist and will be talking more about it, but she of course gave me a shallow response one time to say, we'll, one of my clients has a "Broad" or "bigger forehead" and he/she isn't "functional". of course, she didn't give me information to who exactly this person is, their diagnosis, how they are "dysfunctional", and what exactly their impairments are. perhaps i may ask her on this.

    but yeh, also the "SLOPPED FOREHEAD (FOREHEAD SLOPES BACK)" and having lines on forehead is of the inferior group, all of these are the ones i apply to. i am the one with narrow forehead, sharp forehead, forehead slopes back, lines on forehead ( wrinkles ), and the descriptions all match to me, except for some which i do not agree with, for example on the part of forgetting about using my "logical" or "rational" mind, that part i disagree with because i am who i am, it's not about "forgetting", and do not need to "think" about behaving or functioning otherwise, because even then, my ability to self regulate or what not would be influenced by a physiological aspect, and even then, the description basically is either debating between a type of personality or physiological ailment, so even here, an intelligent person would have to decipher what exactly is going on. you can't just discount both, there has to be some explanation for the behavior or type of functioning.

    i plan on in the future seeing someone who would be able to have more vast / open ended knowledge on this phrenology aspects and why for example, my skull is shaped in the way it is, ( i have somewhat of a pointed bump on the top of my head ), but it's unclear whether this was due to the mild injury i did get when i was like 4-5 years of age and / or whether this influenced / affected my development in any way, and if it didn't, i wan't to know why or what genes for example could explain why someone's forehead or skull is shaped or developed in the way that is. from what i observed, narrow / sharp forehead types in general are not as common as average sized and / or broader forehead types, although i haven't seen any prevelance on this, maybe in the future they'd have so, but it would be nice to know variation of physiological aspects of humans as it relates to anthropology.

    so again, i brought this up because i 100 percent believe that this whole forehead / skull and physiological aspects do play a role in someone's functioning, mental health and possibly a factor towards developing certain "mental illnesses" or at least worsening of certain health conditions, influenced by the person's innate personality which would be separate from the forehead stuff, but which creates a unique individual and form of functionality. i was gonna say that i don't even factor in my "mental illness" or faulty genes or brain wiring to why i am the way i am for lots of things. for example, i believe my extreme low tolerance of stress is more due to a physiological and biological limitation, but you see, the biological aspect being off and affected has a lot to do with physiological functioning.

    think of a engine that has imbalanced components, if one component or even a brain of a computer isn't supplying the right amount of resources and qualitative assets, then the entirety of the system will not function, and this is the point i'm trying to make with phrenology, and with humans, if this is like this from the start of course, it will affect development. with me, i call it arrested physiological development. one example of this is with me, i have a relatively mature and big chin as a male, however, my forehead size is a little too narrow, combined with it being sharp / sloped, means that throughout my time and life, i went through many hardships which caused me to develop a more mature chin and cheekbones, but due to the biological / physiological limitation, or possibly from the mild injury i had when younger, the forehead size and certain areas of the brain did not develop proportionality enough for adequate functioning in life and thus, you also get physiological arrested development.

    i really hope i can find the right person to talk to. it's unclear whether a neurologist would be able to guide me on all this, they're likely to respond to me back like my primary care physician did. and time certainly doesn't help with these lousy 15 minute sessions, and it's stressful enough already have difficulty communicating, asserting myself and getting people to understand things more clearly and in depth when they themselves aren't as open, understanding and showing the same amount of interest as me.

    so one question in particular i would have is to see if there is way, possibly genetic testing or just from research or what not to see whether the forehead / skull aspects i have is more due to pure genetics and / or if there is any influence or cause to from any injuries i had growing up such as the mild one i had when i was younger at age 4-5, and if not from the injuries, then a factual explanation of why i have the physiology that i do have, because there should be a scientific explanation to all this. as a side note, i've also have created over time a research survey as a way of raising awareness in mental health about what exactly we are dealing with, qualitative differences between things, and so getting rid of any biased or inaccurate observations or definitions we did have previously, because i see so many things wrong with how we view a lot of things, particularly a lot of sources saying how those with higher IQs are more likely to have mental illness. like first of all, this is flat out false, and logic alone would support this, because high IQ would mean on paper, these people score relatively high, or least close to above average, reasonably, i would say at least 110 or higher, have one or more areas that is beneficial in meaningful and qualitative functioning in life.

    so yes, automatically, someone with a higher IQ, has at least one major trait that allows them to function well in life, all they need is one at least, and even if they don't, their total IQ at the end will be mediated by a combination of things which at the end will always will be more functional than someone with a lower IQ. now it will be hard to explain this in great detail as i already know most people are gonna wan't to give me counterarguments on this till the end of time, but an "intelligent" person, who doesn't necessarily have a high IQ would already get my point and may even expand it for other less "intelligent" people to understand, and these less intelligent people do not need to have a high IQ, so listen here, someone with an average IQ can perfectly understand what i am saying, because what they have is the "right intelligence". this average IQ person may or may not function well in life.


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