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This is a discussion on EII in Socionics - Am I INFJ or INFP? within the Socionics Forum forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; Originally Posted by JMB I took the test on the SocioType website. I'm pretty sure I still relate to INFJ ...

  1. #11

    Quote Originally Posted by JMB View Post
    I took the test on the SocioType website. I'm pretty sure I still relate to INFJ in MBTI even though I'm EII in Socionics. :)
    That makes perfect sense. JCF Fe tends to align better with as most of the functions have different meanings in their respective systems. I actually have often noticed that a lot of INFJs here, in terms of temperament and values, align better with EII rather than IEI (who actually aligns better with MBTI INFP but not necessarily).

    I think it's very much likely that you're INFJ and EII.

  2. #12

    By valued functions EII aligns with INFP.

    Here's the functional layout:

    EII's valued elements -- [Fi,Ne,Si,Te]
    INFP valued functions -- [Fi,Ne,Si,Te] (identical)
    INFJ valued functions -- [Ni,Fe,Ti,Se] (completely different)

    INFJ is basically Beta quadrant type IEI that is leading in Ni and creative in Fe.
    And INFP is the type closest to EII, both being Fi leading and Ne auxiliary, as demonstrated above.

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    INFJ and EII are labels for the same archetype. Read the type descriptions und compare. Fi in socionics is ist not MBTI-Fi. The two systems define the functions differentely. Almost nobody in the socionics community (16 types) 'believes' that INFJ equates INFp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alyara View Post
    INFJ and EII are labels for the same archetype. Read the type descriptions und compare. Fi in socionics is ist not MBTI-Fi. The two systems define the functions differentely. Almost nobody in the socionics community (16 types) 'believes' that INFJ equates INFp.
    This is the IEI descprition of Fi:
    "IEIs not uncommonly apply their cogitations to topics pertaining to morality, ethics, and relationships. They have a strong understanding of the breadth of their inner emotional responses and dispositions to others. However, they may be inclined to treat their internal ethical sentiments somewhat passively; instead they are often more concerned with the energy and emotional responses of others around them. They are more interested in the dynamism of their emotional surroundings and often are inclined to adapt their behavior or even their persona to fit the situation."

    This is not INFP. And Infact I'm sure it's INFJ, prioritizing OTHER'S emotional responses over their own.

    The first sentence in the EII descprition of FI is this:
    "EIIs are very attuned to the psychological atmosphere of interaction and to their own feelings towards people and things. "

    Not INFJ, and very INFP.

    This is the EII descprtion of Se:

    "EIIs are typically negligent of their surroundings and have difficulty keeping track of objects or constantly monitoring things and people around them. They can be passive and self-absorbed, often preferring to wait for things to happen rather than make them happen. As such, they tend to have quite a number of lost opportunities. To a certain extent, EIIs can be oblivious to hints from someone who is romantically interested in them. Therefore, this gives the other party the wrong impression that they are not interested in them.



    Outsiders often think the EII is oblivious to reality because they will often neglect basic needs. Although it is by no means necessary, this may also manifest itself as a general rejection or aversion to violence or force as a means or way of life."

    Very INFP, not INFJ evne though there are some similarities.

    This is IEI SE:

    "IEIs are often relatively inactive and indecisive. Many IEIs may be relatively immobile and hesitant to interact with the outside world. IEIs can withdraw from action in many social or working situations, and may come across as inhibited or shy. They may feel as though trapped in their own thoughts and dreams. Some IEIs, however, are generally less reclusive and more comfortable in social situations, but even they may feel as observers and unable to mobilize themselves spontaneously.

    IEIs may tend to be stimulation seekers. This does not necessarily mean that they seek to surround themselves with alcohol, members of the opposite sex, and debauchery, but rather that they often seek some form of mental, social, or other stimulus. Often, however, they are not very skilled at spontaneous self-stimulation. They may seek to reproduce previous mental themes or past experiences and may have a deliberate, deadbeat attitude towards new events. They tend to only escape this cycle of inertia when impelled by another with stronger initiative. Some IEIs may be especially prone to enjoy such adventuresome sensations as lighthearted mischief or playful aggression.

    IEIs tend to have indecisive or even fickle air about them, and often give others the impression that they do not know exactly what they want. They have a tendency to vacillate on important decisions or establish clear goals in situations with some ambiguity. In the presence of others who make decisions quickly and assertively, the determinations of others may be accepted easily and relieve the IEI's confusion.

    IEIs tend to admire and gravitate towards individuals who are decisive, assertive, and inclined to energically defend their beliefs and opinions in discussions with others. Conversely, they tend to show little interest in individuals who they see as lacking those qualities."

    This is Inferior Se. INFJ. Not INFP.


    And your just singling out the one Function Fi, go down the list, do you have Ne, Si, or Te? Than you are not EII it's that simple.
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    INFj (Humanitarian/Empath/Dostoyevsky): Gentle but with firm principles; demonstrate positive attitude; willingness to share your world
    INFp (Lyricist/Romantic//Yesenin) Wacky, goofy, dreamy, zany; interested in people's inner experiences and where people are going with their emotional life; mix of joy and melancholy

    Another example. Sounds pretty INFJish

    Introverted Ethics: Primary Function
    Fi – program function. Introverted ethics determines that the EII focuses her attention on judgments about good and evil, morals and depravity, decency and dihonourableness. She precisely senses the norms of behaviour, which govern different groups of people, and she tries to follow these norms in order not to insult the feelings and morality of those that surround her. When she first arrives amongst a group of people she holds herself back. Once she has established a degree of control in regards to the psychological atmosphere of occurences within the group, and only then, after she has soaked herself in the atmosphere, will she consider becoming a full-fledged member of the collective.
    EII often makes acquaintence with those that are weak or unhappy. These people serve to incite the desire to help, to support, and to comfort others, within her. To her others will frequently turn for help and she accepts them by examining their confessions for hours on end. She attempts to get accustomed to the psychological difficulties being experienced by the collocutor and she tries to take their side and support them.
    High emotionalism, in combination with rationality, frequently leads the EII to replay their role in a past situation over and over. The center of excitation, in their consciousness, darkens all other aspect of life when this occurs. She finds it difficult to focus on anything different. Mentally, again and again, she returns to one and the same; she may speak about this lest it occur that others, around her, find it irritating.

    Extraverted Intuition: Creative Function
    Ne – the function of the implementation of the program. The EII seeks true values in life and finds meaning in existence through harmony in her relations with other people. She particularly values high spirituality and high morals. As far back as youth the EII uses her imagination to form a certain moral ideal, which she then attempts to reach. At the foundation of this function frequently is found the development of a feeling of duty. Thus the smallest divergence in behaviour away from the ideal is dealt with severely, internally. This tendency towards self-perfection can itself become a tyrant. This tyranny of duty, in its extreme manifestations, can lead the EII to develop contempt for herself. It can also lead her to blame others when their behaviour fails to correspond with said representation of decency. This sort of maximization, which frequently characterizes itself in the EII’s youth can lead to confrontation with her contemporaries. Such confrontations are difficult tests, which weigh heavily upon her.

    The accumulation of materials values and career success never supercede the EII’s goal of existence: to find their purpose, to make a life before it passes them by, to realize their talents. For their moral ideal they are willing to go to the “executioner’s bloc”. In the psychologically extreme situation they stick to their ideal. However, in ordinary situations EII prefers to leave states of conflict, assuming that kindness and decency are the best ways of deciding any misunderstandings.


    Introverted Logic: Role Function
    Ti – normative function. The EII attempts to consider all its activities ahead of time. She determines concrete priorities for herself, which serve to shroud the main plan. Such an approach does not always succeed as emotionalism frequently pushes or pulls her from the original direction she planned to follow. Nevertheless she tries to organize her activity into a definite system, to organize order, and this requires vast efforts from her.


    Their abilities can be well applied within the spheres of spiritual knowledge, enlightenment and religion. Can also teach, the EII feels a particular propensity towards psychology. Many representatives of this psycho-type realize themselves in art, but only if not related to performing in front of a large audience; also can successfully teach humanities/art.
    Intertype relations
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    Forget the "type" descriptions and look into what "functions" you use, and you can't use what you don't consciously HAVE (Ni if you are Ne, etc).
    EII is Fi-Ne, aka INFP.
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  8. #17

    Quote Originally Posted by Kizuna View Post
    Forget the "type" descriptions and look into what "functions" you use, and you can't use what you don't consciously HAVE (Ni if you are Ne, etc).
    EII is Fi-Ne, aka INFP.
    Agreed. If you are EII then you must be INFP. That's how the system works.
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  9. #18

    Quote Originally Posted by Kizuna View Post
    Forget the "type" descriptions and look into what "functions" you use, and you can't use what you don't consciously HAVE (Ni if you are Ne, etc).
    EII is Fi-Ne, aka INFP.
    Why should we forget the substance of what is being represented, and instead look at its notation?

  10. #19

    Socionics is bullshit because like using the Harold Grant stack, it lacks the other half of possibilities re: functions preferences.

    This is why people are like am I this, am I that, can't find my type bla bla bla because their 'type' doesn't exist in these archaic systems.

    I would recommend forgetting about trying to match things up because it doesn't work.

    If you're an EII in Socionics, then this is INFj in Socionics.
    This doesn't translate into anything of use in MBTI or anything re: cognitive functions because the definitions are all different and it definitely doesn't help nail your true type in any system due to the limitations of Socionics.

    Who says you can't prefer Fi-Ni.
    Why does it have to be Ne as your N preference if you're a dominant Fi type?
    Only reason is because nobody researched shit and people just make it up as they go trying to force this IEIE or EII idea onto everybody.

    Maybe you're EII in Socionics.
    Maybe you're an INFJ in MBTI.
    Maybe you're an INFP in MBTI.
    Who knows.

    And through all of this, maybe none of them are your true type re: functions due to a true Fi-Ni or Ni-Fi preference, which of course isn't accommodated for in any current dinosaur system.

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    @Turi thankfully we have DaveSuperPowers to save us with the Nerd, Hippie, Reporter, and Popular quadras, right?


     
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