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This is a discussion on EII in Socionics - Am I INFJ or INFP? within the Socionics Forum forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; Originally Posted by Ocean Helm @ Turi thankfully we have DaveSuperPowers to save us with the Nerd, Hippie, Reporter, and ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean Helm View Post
    @Turi thankfully we have DaveSuperPowers to save us with the Nerd, Hippie, Reporter, and Popular quadras, right?
    Already covered how they're stressed as something to not rely in or depend on too seriously etc etc and you know it.

     




    Don't pretend the idea of IIEE and EEII doesn't make sense to you, and that you don't find strictly adhering to the Grant stack some serious booooolllssshhheeeeeettttt.

  2. #22

    Quote Originally Posted by Turi View Post
    Socionics is bullshit because like using the Harold Grant stack, it lacks the other half of possibilities re: functions preferences.

    This is why people are like am I this, am I that, can't find my type bla bla bla because their 'type' doesn't exist in these archaic systems.

    I would recommend forgetting about trying to match things up because it doesn't work.

    If you're an EII in Socionics, then this is INFj in Socionics.
    This doesn't translate into anything of use in MBTI or anything re: cognitive functions because the definitions are all different and it definitely doesn't help nail your true type in any system due to the limitations of Socionics.

    Who says you can't prefer Fi-Ni.
    Why does it have to be Ne as your N preference if you're a dominant Fi type?
    Only reason is because nobody researched shit and people just make it up as they go trying to force this IEIE or EII idea onto everybody.
    Socionics and MBTI are the same system. The Grant stack and Model A are different perspectives of the same function order. The differences in how the functions are defined are inconsequential. If you can't see this then I'm sorry, but you're not Ni-dom.

    You simply cannot have Fi-Ni as your preferred function order because it's unnatural. The closest thing to it is a looping ISFP. For an introvert, the functions must go IEIE, just as a human being must be born with two arms and two legs to be considered functional. That's just how it works.

  3. #23

    Quote Originally Posted by Turi View Post
    Don't pretend the idea of IIEE and EEII doesn't make sense to you, and that you don't find strictly adhering to the Grant stack some serious booooolllssshhheeeeeettttt.
    I don't have to like Harold Grant stacks, just because I don't like the way DSP does things. His ball-and-stick models still lack half of the 8 functions, while Socionics doesn't.

    And even IIEE and EEII are very limited. I just think that if you are to create a single pattern to model Jung's types, that's how it has to be done.

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  5. #24
    ILI

    Quote Originally Posted by Interpretatio Socionica View Post
    Socionics and MBTI are the same system. The Grant stack and Model A are different perspectives of the same function order. The differences in how the functions are defined are inconsequential. If you can't see this then I'm sorry, but you're not Ni-dom.

    You simply cannot have Fi-Ni as your preferred function order because it's unnatural. The closest thing to it is a looping ISFP. For an introvert, the functions must go IEIE, just as a human being must be born with two arms and two legs to be considered functional. That's just how it works.
    I do wonder how an IIEE is supposed to function in the world prior to the development of the tertiary function, which usually comes in the mid-20s. Of course the underdeveloped functions still exist, but it seems like someone who is not healthily processing any kind of external input would be a total mess of a human being.
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  6. #25

    Quote Originally Posted by PiT View Post
    I do wonder how an IIEE is supposed to function in the world prior to the development of the tertiary function, which usually comes in the mid-20s. Of course the underdeveloped functions still exist, but it seems like someone who is not healthily processing any kind of external input would be a total mess of a human being.
    I know for sure this ain't the case for many INFJs, and deduce that other types are prone to using their tertiary "full-time" for whatever reason earlier than aux. In INFJs, it's the Ti tert that acts like a shield or a numbing/cool self-protection mechanism, especially when younger. I had to use mine because of hypersensitivity etc., and only got to appreciate and express and trust my Fe in my 20s.
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  7. #26
    LSI

    This thread is bananas hahaha

  8. #27
    ILI

    Quote Originally Posted by Kizuna View Post
    I know for sure this ain't the case for many INFJs, and deduce that other types are prone to using their tertiary "full-time" for whatever reason earlier than aux. In INFJs, it's the Ti tert that acts like a shield or a numbing/cool self-protection mechanism, especially when younger. I had to use mine because of hypersensitivity etc., and only got to appreciate and express and trust my Fe in my 20s.
    That is an interesting perspective. Myself, I had little experience with Fi until I was 18, at which point it descended upon me and I had little control over it for a long time, almost like a mental puberty. In many ways I was at my mental peak at about 16, since I was much more objective then than I am today and was able to propound ideas without endlessly second guessing myself. I am sure much of that is romanticizing the past, however.
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  9. #28
    LIE

    EII is Ethical Intuitive Introvert so is called INFP in Myers Briggs. EII is called INFj in Socionics because the dominant function of introverted feeling is a judging function rather than a perceiving function.
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  10. #29

    I'm an INFP in MBTI and recently took the socionics test on got EII and INFj. So I would say so. When I read the description, my heart became warm with joy, it was so accurate and I felt very understood. Maybe even more so than MBTI.

  11. #30
    ESI

    Can someone elaborate more on what model A means? And is ESI ISFP or ISFJ? I want to understand but I’m so confused because of all the different opinions. Based on what I’ve read ISFj seems like ISFJ going by dichotomies, but I’m not sure what model A means and whether it should be ISFP or not.


     
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