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This is a discussion on Let's talk about duals! within the Socionics Forum forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; Originally Posted by Wisteria J/P doesn't translate into Irrational/Rational. That's not my opinion or anything, it's just what I read. ...

  1. #111
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisteria View Post
    J/P doesn't translate into Irrational/Rational. That's not my opinion or anything, it's just what I read.
    Yeah, "j/p" is used in four letter code to refer to rationals/irrationals for the sake of it, eh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisteria View Post
    Actually in the reinin test I got all the process extroverts from choosing only a couple dichotomies that I was most sure of (EIE, SEE, ILE and LSE)

    I thought Beta/Delta because of Si-Te. Could be wrong about that though, because I did type as SEI (Si-Fe).
    Why did you stop typing as SEI?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisteria View Post
    MBTI can tell you something about your socionics TIM, like which functions you are currently using. And finding your MBTI is easy af, all you have to do is take the test.
    Haven't you said in the past that MBTI and Socionics aren't talking about the same thing with IMs/"functions"? It could have been somebody else. My memory ain't great.

  2. #112

    Quote Originally Posted by Bastard View Post
    Yeah, "j/p" is used in four letter code to refer to rationals/irrationals for the sake of it, eh?
    It's referring to the rational/irrational element as the leading function. J/P is basically about how conscientious you are.

    Why did you stop typing as SEI?
    Because it can't be Si-Fe Ego. I don't actually see myself as an SEI anymore. Can't even remember why I typed as SEI in the first place...If you knew me in person you would realise that Fe creative is pretty laughable xD

    Haven't you said in the past that MBTI and Socionics aren't talking about the same thing with IMs/"functions"? It could have been somebody else. My memory ain't great.
    Yes that was probably me in the why don't they match thread. I think the theories aren't the same, but they're both addressing the use of functions. The dichotomies are very basic but I can't disagree that iNtuition doesn't have some resemblance to the intuition elements in socionics.

    The cognitive functions and Information elements aren't the same by definition, and that was mostly my point in that thread because everyone else was focusing on the cognitive functions.

  3. #113
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisteria View Post
    It's referring to the rational/irrational element as the leading function. J/P is basically about how conscientious you are.
    To-may-toe, to-mah-toe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Judging/Rational
    I like to have things decided - act according to their expectation of a situation; form an expectation or plan, then act.
    I like to be task orientated - flourish in structured environments.
    I make lists of things to do - keeping things under order.
    I like to get my work done before playing - completing one task before starting another.
    I plan work to avoid rushing before a deadline - act decisively and keep correct course in stable circumstances.
    Sometimes I focus so much on the goal that I miss new information - easily disoriented when put in situations with quickly changing rules.

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  5. #114
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisteria View Post
    what's the 70% that you are sure of?
    LII

    _____

    PS: How can I quote other people in the same post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bastard View Post
    More like to-may-toe, po-tay-to :P That is only originally posted by MBTI. All I see for socionics j/p is this;

    RATIONALITY/ IRRATIONALITY
    Definition: rational types have logic or ethics as their leading function , while irrational types have intuition or sensing. In addition, all accepting functions of rationals are rational and all producing functions are irrational, and vice-versa for irrationals.

    Rationality Rational types:
    Keywords:sequential, linear, one-directional; consistent
    Definition: Movements, actions, words, and outward emotions are a direct reaction to others'. States of mind and body are the result of correct actions and emotions.

    Irrational types:
    Keywords: cyclical, multi-directional; flexible
    Definition: Movements, actions, words, and outward emotions are the result of states of mind and body (feelings, sensations, and moods). Instead of reacting directly to actions of others, reacts to state of mind and body induced by these actions.
    Overall the page doesn't look the same as Judging/Perceiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Felipe View Post
    LII
    PS: How can I quote other people in the same post?
    Ah do people see you as an LII? Do you get INTJ or INTP in mbti tests?

    copy & paste

  7. #116
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisteria View Post
    Ah do people see you as an LII? Do you get INTJ or INTP in mbti tests?
    I get INTJ INTP in socionics test. In mbti tests I can get pretty much every type lol. But from self analysis I believe I'm more rational type 'cause I've seen other introverted irrationals and they tend to be more chill and not try to make sense of things like I do, plus I do tend to value the functions of the LII in socionics. There are other reasons like the way the functions work, though like I said I'm not 100% cause of some quadra issues, I can explain in more depth how I came to the conclusion if you want.

    I don't know if that's how people see me though, you see there aren't many people who are into this kind of typology in my country. But they would be seeing through mbti probably.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisteria View Post
    copy & paste
    What I meant is, how can I quote others and make sure it's for them, cause if I just copy and paste it will appear just the message but not the person who said it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felipe View Post
    I get INTJ INTP in socionics test. In mbti tests I can get pretty much every type lol. But from self analysis I believe I'm more rational type 'cause I've seen other introverted irrationals and they tend to be more chill and not try to make sense of things like I do, plus I do tend to value the functions of the LII in socionics. There are other reasons like the way the functions work, though like I said I'm not 100% cause of some quadra issues, I can explain in more depth how I came to the conclusion if you want.

    I don't know if that's how people see me though, you see there aren't many people who are into this kind of typology in my country. But they would be seeing through mbti probably.
    So LII and ILI? Any idea why you get any type in MBTI tests? Don't irrational introverts try to make sense of things but in a different way? I've heard that it's about the area you use in your frontal lobe when making decisions - thinking it through is rational, and wanting to gather more info is irrational. Not sure how accurate that is though. It's one of the dichotomies I avoid relying on, same as aristrocratic/democratic, merry/serious and a few other ones because the information is confusing or lacking. Here's a dichotomy test if you like using the dichotomies though; Sociotypograph — determine sociotype (the irrational and rational descriptions there are weird though, sounds so similar to 1D functions (experience parameter)

    Are many people interested in typology in any country? xD MBTI is useful though, if someone else can guess your type using MBTI. Seeing it through MBTI isn't a problem, imo.

    What I meant is, how can I quote others and make sure it's for them, cause if I just copy and paste it will appear just the message but not the person who said it.
    Yeah i meant quote post > copy post > quote next post > paste = multiquote

  9. #118
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisteria View Post
    So LII and ILI? Any idea why you get any type in MBTI tests? Don't irrational introverts try to make sense of things but in a different way?
    One long test I did I got ILI but LII was close (it showed percentage and stuff). I get any other type in mbti tests because... I don't know really lol (I've got: INTP, ISTP, ISTJ, INFP, ENTP, ENFJ, ENFP, ISFP, ISFJ) but those were different tests, well sometimes they were the same.

    I think irrationals introverts do try to make sense of things, but like you said it's in a different way, it's like what make sense to them doesn't follow a linear logic to me, therefore I can't make sense of what they make sense. My logic is more computer like: "if this, therefore that. If not this, therefore not that" and so on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisteria View Post
    if someone else can guess your type using MBTI. Seeing it through MBTI isn't a problem, imo.
    It isn't, I prefer someone that actually knows me in person, but the few ones I know that are into typology are newbs haha. I should ask'em one of these days though. But I'm more into socionics these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felipe View Post
    I get INTJ INTP in socionics test. In mbti tests I can get pretty much every type lol. But from self analysis I believe I'm more rational type 'cause I've seen other introverted irrationals and they tend to be more chill and not try to make sense of things like I do, plus I do tend to value the functions of the LII in socionics. There are other reasons like the way the functions work, though like I said I'm not 100% cause of some quadra issues, I can explain in more depth how I came to the conclusion if you want.
    I had you down for Alpha NT. Go with LII and change it later if you later arrive at some magical realisation.

    Unknown type makes people look indecisive and that they don't know what they're talking about. While the former may be true in your case, the latter certainly isn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisteria View Post
    MBTI is useful though, if someone else can guess your type using MBTI. Seeing it through MBTI isn't a problem, imo.
    An idiot girl said "you're such an ENTJ" shortly after meeting me. She doesn't know shit.

    The problem with MBTI - and typology in general - is that it encourages people to be lazy thinkers; "you're an ENFP so you have to be a giggly space cadet" style thinking.

    Other than that, it's essentially a dumbed down but marketable version of the Big Five.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisteria View Post
    More like to-may-toe, po-tay-to :P
    Nah, that'd require a distinction with a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felipe View Post
    One long test I did I got ILI but LII was close (it showed percentage and stuff). I get any other type in mbti tests because... I don't know really lol (I've got: INTP, ISTP, ISTJ, INFP, ENTP, ENFJ, ENFP, ISFP, ISFJ) but those were different tests, well sometimes they were the same.
    Hmm did you take those tests and get those different results over time?

    I think irrationals introverts do try to make sense of things, but like you said it's in a different way, it's like what make sense to them doesn't follow a linear logic to me, therefore I can't make sense of what they make sense. My logic is more computer like: "if this, therefore that. If not this, therefore not that" and so on.
    That does make you sound like a rational type. I wouldn't have guessed LII, but it makes sense.

    It isn't, I prefer someone that actually knows me in person, but the few ones I know that are into typology are newbs haha. I should ask'em one of these days though. But I'm more into socionics these days.
    Yeah I meant someone to type you in person. They don't need to know you really well. Can't believe you actually know people into typology irl. Being new to the theory might also be better, because they're not aware of all the stereotypes and pop culture surrounding MBTI. If they are aware of the basics and know what T/F and S/N is about then that's ideal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bastard View Post
    Unknown type makes people look indecisive and that they don't know what they're talking about. While the former may be true in your case, the latter certainly isn't.
    Maybe they're just not jumping to conclusions and choosing their favourate type. Or they simply used their MBTI type.

    An idiot girl said "you're such an ENTJ" shortly after meeting me. She doesn't know shit.

    The problem with MBTI - and typology in general - is that it encourages people to be lazy thinkers; "you're an ENFP so you have to be a giggly space cadet" style thinking.

    Other than that, it's essentially a dumbed down but marketable version of the Big Five.
    Is it like the Big 5, except most MBTI tests don't measure neurotiscism. You could probably determine your most likely MBTI score by taking a Big Five test. I did a big 5 test and all my scores aligned with my mbti score.

    Obviously ignore people who are using stereotypes. I wouldn't blame MBTI for that though. Only the websites that create stereotypes. Cognitive functions also promote those stereotypes further.

    Nah, that'd require a distinction with a difference.
    I can't make someone else see what I see ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


     
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