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This is a discussion on Let's talk about duals! within the Socionics Forum forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; Originally Posted by Wisteria Maybe they're just not jumping to conclusions and choosing their favourate type. Or they simply used ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisteria View Post
    Maybe they're just not jumping to conclusions and choosing their favourate type. Or they simply used their MBTI type.
    It is not a conclusion, simply a step in the process. Perfectionism is the enemy of progress.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisteria View Post
    Is it like the Big 5, except most MBTI tests don't measure neurotiscism. You could probably determine your most likely MBTI score by taking a Big Five test. I did a big 5 test and all my scores aligned with my mbti score.
    These systems correlate more or less. True correspondence is impossible, even if Keirsey and Socionics adopt MBTI four letter codes.

    My Keirsey and MBTI are based on Sociotype. MBTI becomes Exxx if I go by test. Keirsey becomes generic Operator (xSTP). Big 5 is low-mid openness, mid conscientiousness, mid-high extraversion, low agreeableness, high emotional stability.

    How did your results "align?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisteria View Post
    Obviously ignore people who are using stereotypes. I wouldn't blame MBTI for that though. Only the websites that create stereotypes. Cognitive functions also promote those stereotypes further.
    Typology necessitates exaggeration. Putting precision on a pedestal results in most people becoming "neutral type."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bastard View Post
    It is not a conclusion, simply a step in the process. Perfectionism is the enemy of progress.
    Fair enough (This makes you sound like a process (+) type)

    These systems correlate more or less. True correspondence is impossible, even if Keirsey and Socionics adopt MBTI four letter codes.

    My Keirsey and MBTI are based on Sociotype. MBTI becomes Exxx if I go by test. Keirsey becomes generic Operator (xSTP). Big 5 is low-mid openness, mid conscientiousness, mid-high extraversion, low agreeableness, high emotional stability.

    How did your results "align?"
    So you used your sociotype to choose an MBTI type/temperament. That is what most on this forum do.

    Same way as yours (which indicate ESTP-A from B5 results). Very low extroversion, Low openness, Low-Mid agreeableness and average conscientiousness. Could argue ISTJ for MBTI based on the agreeableness score. In MBTI my score is in my sig but the score in introversion was very low and their was a slight preference for SFJ.

    Typology necessitates exaggeration. Putting precision on a pedestal results in most people becoming "neutral type."
    I don't get what the deal is with MBTI on here. It's very easy to take an MBTI test, answer the questions honestly, and stick with the result. There's no need to exaggerate in order to understand it. You have a preference for one dichotomy usually, and even if it's a slight preference just go with it, or decide what you personally think is your preference between the two. It's not rocket science :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisteria View Post
    Fair enough (This makes you sound like a process (+) type)
    It's almost like I'm trying to explain to a process type* what the correct course of action is.

    *Based on when you said: "maybe he isn't just jumping to conclusions."

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisteria View Post
    So you used your sociotype to choose an MBTI type/temperament. That is what most on this forum do.
    I figured opposite, tbh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisteria View Post
    I don't get what the deal is with MBTI on here. It's very easy to take an MBTI test, answer the questions honestly, and stick with the result. There's no need to exaggerate in order to understand it. You have a preference for one dichotomy usually, and even if it's a slight preference just go with it, or decide what you personally think is your preference between the two. It's not rocket science :P
    All typology. Not just MBTI. That's based on how you feel at the moment you take the quiz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bastard View Post
    It's almost like I'm trying to explain to a process type* what the correct course of action is.
    Why would that make me a process type?

    *Based on when you said: "maybe he isn't just jumping to conclusions."
    Oh. Well my last post about MBTI tests is probably result orientated, as i'm critizing people who get stuck with the process of typing themselves in MBTI. You on the other hand literally mentioned the process. It doesn't mean you're not SLE though, it just means the use of a minus element.

    I figured opposite, tbh.
    All typology. Not just MBTI. That's based on how you feel at the moment you take the quiz.
    But socionics doesn't include tests, and Big 5 doesn't have stereotypes. Enneagram probably does have a lot of misconceptions for the enneatypes, but there is no official test for that either. MBTI is actually meant to be determined by taking the test, that's why I don't get the confusion over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bastard View Post
    The website you linked some while ago makes reference to it.

    As I said above. Asymmetric means that the level of influence the two have over one another is unequal.



    They do in terms of influence (which you called ability). Influence is a form of power. Going by the variables measured, supervisors do hold the high ground.

    Other forms of power (i.e. authority, expert, coercive, material) are not measured by socionics.



    Their blocks don't match up. Communication goes in these steps:

    1. Supervisor communicates through their leading function and it hits the supervisee's vulnerable. Supervisee: "Ow, that hurts!"

    2. Supervisee responds through their own ego block. "Stop stop!"

    3. Supervisor cannot interpret both elements at once because information is coming in two separate blocks (Supervisee 1+2 = Supervisor 2-3).

    4. Supervisor defaults to ego block, thereby only getting half of the message. "Op op? what does that mean?"

    5. Supervisor sees the message as faulty, tries to correct the supervisee. "Stop speaking gibberish, it's easy!" (Go back to step 1.)
    Wow, this explains my entire relationship with my mother (ESFP) with surprising accuracy. There's weird communication between us and I can only take her in for short periods of time. I used to think it was because I was an introverted and she just drained me, but no one else can get on my nerves quite as easily (except ESTPs, but I try to avoid them at all costs for my own well being).

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    Quote Originally Posted by keepthepeace94 View Post
    Wow, this explains my entire relationship with my mother (ESFP) with surprising accuracy. There's weird communication between us and I can only take her in for short periods of time. I used to think it was because I was an introverted and she just drained me, but no one else can get on my nerves quite as easily (except ESTPs, but I try to avoid them at all costs for my own well being).
    It was a deliberate simplification of how Supervisor relations work, but I'm happy that somebody got something out of it.

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    As an ILE-3Ne subtype, my best relationships have been with ISFp and ISTp (semi-duality that emulated duality, due to my subtype). I met them by chance when I wasn't looking for anything, both were attracted to me, but I was not attracted to them - initially. I didn't know much about Socionics, but in both cases I lucked out on my first ex being what I assume 100% Duality and my recent ISTp ex being an 80-98% Duality (I suspect irrational subtype, he was mercurial). I was with the ISFp for 4 years, the ISTp 3 months (we basically had to split up due to school, may get back together after). I find duality interesting because it seems to transcend sexuality and the mental connection is heteroverted, Dual 1 was sexually straight and Dual 2 mostly straight.

    How did you guys meet and where: ISFp (a blog), ISTp (a club)
    How & when did you KNOW they were your dual: My first ex I can just never forget (I knew after 6 months of considering him boring), my second dual ex it was much more magnetic much more quick, we both knew after the first 3 weeks, but I had no explanation until I researched it.

    I only researched Dual theory after thinking about both of them, Duals are the people that actually haunt me. Other than that, I like ESTjs.
    Last edited by Doggy; 02-12-2019 at 03:14 PM.


     
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