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    I would just avoid using the subtypes system. It makes the difference between rational/irrational more complicated as well (as the subtype could be an irrational creative element with a rational leading element) and causes unnecessary confusion.

    (I love how you all used weird metaphors as well. I was actually referring to the positivist/negativist, which is what duals are to each other on this dichotomy)

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    Idk but Wisteria you sound like you are dual seeking Ne from somethings you mentioned.
    Yes, I also wondered about Fe as well though (because of the second paragraph).

    I took socionics test and got EII. I was pretty sure I was EII beforehand as well and I'm not sure how reliable the test is but FWIW my test result was EII. Which makes my dual LSE. I've had duality experiences way before I even knew what socionics was. And initially I experienced it as "This person is how I should be, they are confident, they can take the lead, assert themselves, and organize a crowd." But at the same time I experience "This person is cliche, boring, and too bull headed." Lol so the coin as too sides.
    Who doesn't get EII in the sociotype test? xD
    The people you mentioned seem like Se types tbh.
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  2. #12
    EII

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisteria View Post
    I would just avoid using the subtypes system. It makes the difference between rational/irrational more complicated as well (as the subtype could be an irrational creative element with a rational leading element) and causes unnecessary confusion.

    (I love how you all used weird metaphors as well. I was actually referring to the positivist/negativist, which is what duals are to each other on this dichotomy)



    Yes, I also wondered about Fe as well though (because of the second paragraph).



    Who doesn't get EII in the sociotype test? xD
    The people you mentioned seem like Se types tbh.
    The test seemed to obvious when I took it. Questions clearly looked like they were asking "Are you Fe or Fi?".
    I mean, they are not Se types but they do have Se demonstrative so they are pretty good at Se. I get along with SEE and SLE, but usually only get along with SLE at a distance, once we get to know each other there are huge no nos for me that they have or ar einto lol. I don't like to be close to people into things I consider "wild".

    Positive Ne could also be considered optimism too.

  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by keepthepeace94 View Post
    First thread post! Am I doing this right? Eh, who cares (: (But seriously, tell me if I'm doing this wrong O__O)

    Anyone have any experience with their dual? How did you guys meet and where?
    I don't know if it's a dual thing or just a preference about people in general, but I have experienced a couple of times. For me the people were usually delta NF or gamma NT I think, I'm not sure about my type yet, I see many angles. It's different than romantic attraction though, it's something like it makes you feel more enthusiastic. I don't know if it's the right word, maybe curious I guess, it gets you interested in a strange way without feeling judged.

    I've heard that duals can be conflicting at first though, because of the big differences between the types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    The test seemed to obvious when I took it. Questions clearly looked like they were asking "Are you Fe or Fi?".
    I mean, they are not Se types but they do have Se demonstrative so they are pretty good at Se. I get along with SEE and SLE, but usually only get along with SLE at a distance, once we get to know each other there are huge no nos for me that they have or ar einto lol. I don't like to be close to people into things I consider "wild".

    Positive Ne could also be considered optimism too.
    Hmm, seems more Se ego to me (or maybe even the role function). Generally though you seem to like Se. I can't remember how Se demonstrative works in EII and LSE duality. LSE has strong Se but I don't think they use it in those situations, because it's not a mental function. What do you mean by wild things? Like being eccentric and different or just reckless?

    It wasn't obvious to me when I took the sociotype test, but the answers were way too long, I barely read through them.

    I think ILE is the type with Ne+, so that's still a positivist type. I can't into the signs though, get's too confusing. Just know that the positivist types have either Ne+ (ILE), Se+ (SEE), Ti+ (LSI), Fi+ (EII), Fe- (ESE), Ni- (IEI) or Si-(SLI) as their leading function.

    So that's a lot of possible types, although I agree some are more likely than others. I don't think ILE so much because they're not an ethical type.

  6. #15
    EII

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisteria View Post
    Hmm, seems more Se ego to me (or maybe even the role function). Generally though you seem to like Se. I can't remember how Se demonstrative works in EII and LSE duality. LSE has strong Se but I don't think they use it in those situations, because it's not a mental function. What do you mean by wild things? Like being eccentric and different or just reckless?

    It wasn't obvious to me when I took the sociotype test, but the answers were way too long, I barely read through them.

    I think ILE is the type with Ne+, so that's still a positivist type. I can't into the signs though, get's too confusing. Just know that the positivist types have either Ne+ (ILE), Se+ (SEE), Ti+ (LSI), Fi+ (EII), Fe- (ESE), Ni- (IEI) or Si-(SLI) as their leading function.

    So that's a lot of possible types, although I agree some are more likely than others. I don't think ILE so much because they're not an ethical type.
    You mean you don't think ILE as your type or your duals type?

    I don't like reckless or overtly eccentric, especially in appearance, tons of piercings and tattoos, aggressive presence, energectically forceful. LSE are more conservative and predictable and that relaxes me. Se egos make me get apprehensive, I didn't know why until I read about the vulnerable function. LSEs are good at Se but don't flaunt it or brag about it like Se ego types do. And Se egos easily offend me anytime they comment on my lack of physical capabilities. "You don't know how to fix your car? Oh can't lift that? Try harder, don't be a weakling." Ugh, shoot me lol.

    Do you think the more you learn about socionics the harder it is to type yourself?

  7. #16

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    You mean you don't think ILE as your type or your duals type?

    I don't like reckless or overtly eccentric, especially in appearance, tons of piercings and tattoos, aggressive presence, energectically forceful. LSE are more conservative and predictable and that relaxes me. Se egos make me get apprehensive, I didn't know why until I read about the vulnerable function. LSEs are good at Se but don't flaunt it or brag about it like Se ego types do. And Se egos easily offend me anytime they comment on my lack of physical capabilities. "You don't know how to fix your car? Oh can't lift that? Try harder, don't be a weakling." Ugh, shoot me lol.

    Do you think the more you learn about socionics the harder it is to type yourself?
    My duals type. Fi PoLR and Ti ego just doesn't seem right.

    I really like those types of people :D Maybe not eccentric as in a goth who wears all black, or someone with bright coloured hair and/or piercings in weird places. But people who are expressive in their appearance and have a significant presence (which might come off as forceful) are attractive (obviously it's only about appearance though). I can see why bragging and overconfidence might be annoying. A conservative person is boring to me though, or they at least seem that way before getting to know them. I don't mind being called a weakling if it motivates me push myself xD Telling to someone lift something heavy is quite stupid though, could give someone an injury.

    Haha no. I think that the younger and more inexperienced you are, the harder it is to type yourself. I suppose yes in a way, because it's easy to read a description of a sociotype and type yourself according to that, but there's a good chance you just mistyped yourself.

  8. #17
    LSI

    Quote Originally Posted by Figure View Post
    Oddly enough I don't necessarily like all SEE's I meet. This is particularly the case with the Se subtype, and especially the guys. They tend to come off as being pompous, hyperactive, and ill-informed - and they can also hyper-overestimate their ability in Te matters like business and money, or just be overall way too hyper. Sometimes with the girls I find myself attracted, but still kind of repelled in a weird conflicting way. Either way, SEE-Se tend to strike me as being really full of themselves, while doing things that actually make no sense whatsoever. Even when I like them, I usually start out acting (openly) as if I don't like them at all. This ends up being kind of funny, because if I'm around them for long enough eventually they try to make me like them, and I then realize they aren't that bad. At that point the relationship can build the way you'd expect with a Dual.

    I do love the Fi subtype though. The subtype makes a big difference. I like how they are relatively scattered and sort of all over the place, but still show intention in what they say or do. They check in a lot, and generally have this kind of charismatic warmth that they express while saying even basic things. They don't tend to ramble on as much as the Se subtype - more so, they tend to ask random questions related to the topic you're discussing. I really, really like how they personalize conversations - they tend to use your name a lot when they talk, and intonate in a way that makes them sound kind of comedic. I've noticed I (unconsciously) begin to like people who do this, before knowing socionics not knowing why that was. They can look like they're "deeper" people than they are, as they're actually pretty straight forward.

    Many of these traits are also true of the IEE-Fi subtype (which I also like a lot), but there's something about them (can't put my finger on it) that makes me feel like they're just a bit too nice. The IEE's can be surprisingly formal/picky when it comes to conventions SEE's only passingly acknowledge, yet SEE's somehow also strike me as being more "serious" in the way that I'm serious.

    The Se sub is everywhere, though I meet a lot of them through work. The Fi subtype I tend to meet more through athletics or other hobbies. Overall I like them both but it takes a lot less time and contact for me to become close with the Fi sub.
    Your first paragraph sounded like an IEI. That’s IEI behaving in the super-id.

  9. #18
    EII

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisteria View Post
    My duals type. Fi PoLR and Ti ego just doesn't seem right.

    I really like those types of people :D Maybe not eccentric as in a goth who wears all black, or someone with bright coloured hair and/or piercings in weird places. But people who are expressive in their appearance and have a significant presence (which might come off as forceful) are attractive (obviously it's only about appearance though). I can see why bragging and overconfidence might be annoying. A conservative person is boring to me though, or they at least seem that way before getting to know them. I don't mind being called a weakling if it motivates me push myself xD Telling to someone lift something heavy is quite stupid though, could give someone an injury.

    Haha no. I think that the younger and more inexperienced you are, the harder it is to type yourself. I suppose yes in a way, because it's easy to read a description of a sociotype and type yourself according to that, but there's a good chance you just mistyped yourself.

    When I say forceful I mean like someone who seems confrontational, they have like an aggressive presence.
    Someone made a good analogy about conservative folks, they said some of them are like water that just needs some flavor added, that's how I feel about them, like I add some flavor to them lol.

    Wait you're Te PoLR right? Then that would mean your dual does have Ti-ego.

  10. #19

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    When I say forceful I mean like someone who seems confrontational, they have like an aggressive presence.
    Someone made a good analogy about conservative folks, they said some of them are like water that just needs some flavor added, that's how I feel about them, like I add some flavor to them lol.

    Wait you're Te PoLR right? Then that would mean your dual does have Ti-ego.
    What's wrong with being confrontational? Isn't that better than being passive and indirect in a lot of situations? I noticed a lot of people on this forum seem very adverse to confrontation in general. People who are forceful are usually behaving that way for a reason, they do it for the sake of efficiency or discipline. Perhaps that can come off as harsh and abrasive? No-one appreciates someone who is rude, but I don't associate that with Se.

    I don't know if i'm Te PoLR, Suggestive or something else. I just know that I'm bad at using Te when I'm working with other people. I suddenly start making mistakes, but by myself I can work quickly and efficiently. Also I can see my dual as an ethical type possibly.

  11. #20
    EII

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisteria View Post
    What's wrong with being confrontational? Isn't that better than being passive and indirect in a lot of situations? I noticed a lot of people on this forum seem very adverse to confrontation in general. People who are forceful are usually behaving that way for a reason, they do it for the sake of efficiency or discipline. Perhaps that can come off as harsh and abrasive? No-one appreciates someone who is rude, but I don't associate that with Se.

    I don't know if i'm Te PoLR, Suggestive or something else. I just know that I'm bad at using Te when I'm working with other people. I suddenly start making mistakes, but by myself I can work quickly and efficiently. Also I can see my dual as an ethical type possibly.
    Nothing wrong with being confrontational, I just feel on edge around those people and rather not be around them. It feels like a sense of imminent danger or something.

    Well in the other thread it seemed like you were Te PoLR so I thought you settled on it.
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