I would just avoid using the subtypes system. It makes the difference between rational/irrational more complicated as well (as the subtype could be an irrational creative element with a rational leading element) and causes unnecessary confusion.
(I love how you all used weird metaphors as well. I was actually referring to the positivist/negativist, which is what duals are to each other on this dichotomy)Who doesn't get EII in the sociotype test? xDI took socionics test and got EII. I was pretty sure I was EII beforehand as well and I'm not sure how reliable the test is but FWIW my test result was EII. Which makes my dual LSE. I've had duality experiences way before I even knew what socionics was. And initially I experienced it as "This person is how I should be, they are confident, they can take the lead, assert themselves, and organize a crowd." But at the same time I experience "This person is cliche, boring, and too bull headed." Lol so the coin as too sides.
The people you mentioned seem like Se types tbh.