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This is a discussion on Erotic attitudes/Romance style of SLE/ ESTP What are the "sadistic" games they play? within the Socionics Forum forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; @ Schizoid What was said SLE's intention in asking the IEI to match-make? Was it to hurt them back? Was ...

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    @Schizoid What was said SLE's intention in asking the IEI to match-make? Was it to hurt them back? Was it because they thought the IEI knows them well and was good at reading people and hence probably competent at the Job? Something else?

    Also for what reason are you using a fictional storybook as your basis, despite stating "I don't know how the romance style of SLEs works in real life, since I haven't been with one before"? I'm very confused.

    edit: ...apologies in case any of it was satire that flew over my head. I'm not the best at being discerning.
    Last edited by Choice; 12-06-2018 at 03:23 PM.

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    What's confusing? Art imitates life. There's nothing wrong with using fictional examples.

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    ... On the ...off chance I'm, not being mercilessly trolled

    Quote Originally Posted by Carla Rose View Post
    What's confusing? Art imitates life. There's nothing wrong with using fictional examples.
    It can be derivative at times, yes. however, being unable to read said author's mind, it can be hard to know how much was derivative and from where.

    Furthermore,
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Appeal_to_fiction

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schizoid View Post
    I think, what I learnt from that story is: One should always follow their heart when it comes to affairs of the heart. If you find yourself
    drawn to someone and constantly enchanted by them and unable to get them out of your mind, explore that feeling and see where it leads to. Maybe it's your intuition trying to speak to you here.
    The problem with fiction is who the audience is. This is clearly a story aimed at "women finding love". Women can generally be picky with their partner, men generally can't. I see the gender-reflection in myself. I've alwasy been very pragmatic about feelings and people due to not having the luxury of choice.

    I agree with exploring what one feels to act on it, I certainly do it when infatuated but I don't understand why continue the chase when you're rejected (clear or unclear doesn't matter, the rejection happened, words/actions have consequenses ("grow a pair and be responsible" lmao)).
    Last edited by pwowq; 12-06-2018 at 11:42 PM.
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    Edit:
    @Schizoid
    Are you saying that you're using a made-up example to express your personal understanding of how things may work according to what theory you've read, regardless of whether it may be true and/or common in reality?

    And that your example isn't so much on the exact methodology used, but moreso illustrates a man both fully willing to disrespect a particular woman's ability to say no, as well as use any means possible to force contact, followed by said target later changing her mind?

    ^ best guess atm. Sorry if I get it wrong.


    Edit 2: She didn't need to follow her heart; she needed a restraining order.
    Last edited by Choice; 12-07-2018 at 02:37 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schizoid View Post
    Socionics actually gave a bunch of fictional examples such as Zhukov as its portrait of SLE, if we were to go by what you wrote, that fictional characters are actually different from real life people and we can't use them as an example, that means Zhukov can't be used as an example of SLE either since he is a made-up character too.
    lol, Zhukov isn't fictional. He was a prominent Soviet General during WWII.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgy_Zhukov
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    Quote Originally Posted by Choice View Post
    Edit:
    @Schizoid
    Are you saying that you're using a made-up example to express your personal understanding of how things may work according to what theory you've read, regardless of whether it may be true and/or common in reality?

    And that your example isn't so much on the exact methodology used, but moreso illustrates a man both fully willing to disrespect a particular woman's ability to say no, as well as use any means possible to force contact, followed by said target later changing her mind?

    ^ best guess atm. Sorry if I get it wrong.


    Edit 2: She didn't need to follow her heart; she needed a restraining order.
    How the heck did I get mentioned in this post?

    Last edited by tanstaafl28; 12-07-2018 at 03:16 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pwowq View Post
    The problem with fiction is who the audience is. This is clearly a story aimed at "women finding love". Women can generally be picky with their partner, men generally can't. I see the gender-reflection in myself. I've alwasy been very pragmatic about feelings and people due to not having the luxury of choice.

    I agree with exploring what one feels to act on it, I certainly do it when infatuated but I don't understand why continue the chase when you're rejected (clear or unclear doesn't matter, the rejection happened, words/actions have consequenses ("grow a pair and be responsible" lmao)).
    I'ma going to throw my 2 cents in here and say men absolutely have the ability to be picky but how many of them have the constitution to do so? I'd say beta males definitely have little choice but again it's a choice. This is why alpha males can shuffle through women until the men find one they want to keep, they are willing to sift through the junk. It takes work and confidence. Women definitely have more choices having to do much less work because women are pursued by men but a confident man unwilling to settle but willing to do the work have plenty of options. Just sayin. Also, infatuation is a trap and people always want what they can't have, hence the chase. There's also the thrill of the chase in regard to pursuing someone after being rejected...especially in someone who is confident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxyfox View Post
    What would an estp’s issue be if he would message a girl he’s dating and then when she replies he disappears for a day or 2 sometimes 3.. Or he would say he was going to call back in 5 min and wouldn’t call at all.. but he insists he’s crazy about her? (By the way she* doesn’t really care much about it all she’s just curious about this behaviour lol)
    You know this person more than any of us but it also just might be flat out inconsideration. This happens all the time to guys I know and myself when dating. Not trying to talk crap about women but they send to be more focused on themselves. I think more men are becoming this way as well. Society in general. My point being is people have short attention spans, short memories and are easily distracted. Then people forget to message back. When this happens to me I stop initiating conversation. If their behavior changes and balances with yours they care about you enough to make the effort. If not they are always putting their needs first. if you are ok with that it's up to you. I am a very picky man, more than most so I have no tolerance for a selfish for a inconsiderate partner. I've had too many of those in the past. Not worth my effort and time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwowq View Post
    The problem with fiction is who the audience is. This is clearly a story aimed at "women finding love". Women can generally be picky with their partner, men generally can't. I see the gender-reflection in myself. I've alwasy been very pragmatic about feelings and people due to not having the luxury of choice.

    I agree with exploring what one feels to act on it, I certainly do it when infatuated but I don't understand why continue the chase when you're rejected (clear or unclear doesn't matter, the rejection happened, words/actions have consequenses ("grow a pair and be responsible" lmao)).
    I'm gunna put my 2 cents in and say I don't feel men generally "can't" be picky about a partner more so as most men don't have the constitution to be picky. Men throw themselves at women and women can take their pick of those men. Then an alpha comes along and makes a woman work for his love an attention. True alphas don't throw themselves at women and that's why women flock to them. Human's don't appreciate things given to them but if they earn it that creates incentive to work to keep what you have. I think most men are too insecure and settle reducing their choices. If more men held out like women then men could be more picky. It's already happening, men are giving into women less and less because of the "gender equality movement". From vids I've watched and articles I've read it seems like women are having a hard time finding "good" men but I think that's because quality guys are being more choosy having higher expectations of female partners considering women want to be treated as equals. I myself refuse to settle for a woman who is not at least my near equal in responsibility and intelligence but that's just me. I'm also a ENTJ so whatever that's worth or worthless lol.


     
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