Differences between an ISTP in MBTI and an ISTp in Socionics??

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    Differences between an ISTP in MBTI and an ISTp in Socionics??

    What are the essential difference between ISTP-MBTI and ISTp-Socionics?? And why is the "p" small in the latter? Can anyone please explain? Thanks.

    If this has already been discussed, I would appreciate a link (my search came up empty).

    I am an ENFP, seeking to understand an ISTP...



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    ISTp has a completely different function setup from MBTI ISTP.

    ISTp would translate into MBTI ISTJ, while ISTP MBTI would translate into ISTj. At least if you care to stick with Jung's cognitive functions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erbse View Post
    ISTp has a completely different function setup from MBTI ISTP.

    ISTp would translate into MBTI ISTJ, while ISTP MBTI would translate into ISTj. At least if you care to stick with Jung's cognitive functions.
    Sorry, not following! My fault. Can you spell it out a bit more for me? What is: "different function setup"? Which functions, for an ISTP? - are you talking about P and J? How can they be switched?

    Do you see yourself as an ISTJ in Socionics?? But - do you have a moustache?? LOL.

    Both the ISTP and the ISTp sound exactly like my ISTP freind. Though I think this fits him, from "J" of Socionics: " plan work ahead and tend to finish it" [eventually] and "do not like to change their decisions" [in matters concerning is self-identity]. But this is an ISTP trait in both systems! In every other way, he is a "p". "j", according to Socionics, is supposed to be quite orderly at home. My ISTp has always been messy, has various projects going at once, takes time for his preferred activities, etc., like an ISTp. He also fits the ISTp physical description better than the ISTj. Naturally athletic, like an ISTp.

    Also my Dad was an ISTP and also my favorite brother. And all three, to me, seem to be ISTP/ISTp. All are naturally athletic, too. And somewhat messy in their own ways... And my friend and my brother are much more free spirits, desiring to blaze their own paths, than conformists (what seems to be an ISTj).

    So what I have is what I observe and perceive in my ISTP's. You understand the theory apparently, but it doesn't go with what I see. How do I reconcile this?
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    Ohmigosh, and I am seriously interested in this topic now. Because I just checked the Socionics relationship chart. My ISTp, whom I am so very attached to - if he is an ISTj, as you imply, ohmigosh, that means we are not "Duals" - the very best relationship there is, but "Conflicting" - the very worst!!!

    So - what a question - are we the very best or worst of the 16 types?? Okay, so I need to understand this. I watch my sister-in-law in her painful conflicting relationship - she is INFJ, he, ESTP, and what a drawn-out, painful-for-both Conflicting relationship they have.

    I have known my ISTP[p?] for years through our long correspondence. I just cannot imagine a conflicting relationship with him. He knows me so well, and accepts me. I know he is different from me in his whole approach to life, and I love the difference. I always feel peace when interacting with him. Its one of the things that draws me. Also, relations with my father and brother were always peaceful, they also seem ISTP/ISTp... Also, the Duality description sure fits what we seem to be have now and are headed for...

    I know there are are blissful ISTP/ENFP relationships here on the forum - maybe they will post...

    Also,I have seen ENFJ/ISTP relationships mentioned. That would also be either "Conflicting" (the worst) or "Duality" (the best), depending on whether you are calling the ISTp an ISTp or and ISTj!

    [in Socionics, "Conflicting" relationships, by the way, start out okay, promising, optimistic but the conflicts, same ones, get worse and worse and worse until the end of the relationship brings great relief to both parties. "Dualities" are harder to start because of the personality differences, like breaking in a new car. But once past the hardest first stage, each stage gets much easier, the relationship, peaceful for both, is almost conflict-free, and pretty much unbreakable!].
    Last edited by Eliza. Peace to you.; 11-30-2011 at 05:29 PM.

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    Alright so ISTP=ISTj and ISTJ=ISTp according to the functions. However I find ISTp closer to myself than ISTj. I have a strong dislike for socionics, as it tries to define a type's style and physical characteristics. And that just doesn't work. Not reliably enough to be used as evidence. Also, who cares what a site says about your relationship dynamic? Does it work? Then you're fine. Nothing else matters.

    TL;DR: I hate socionics. MBTI seems far more accurate to me.

    EDIT2: http://www.socionics.com/articles/howto.htm
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    If this has already been discussed, I would appreciate a link (my search came up empty).
    They're are two entirely different theories. If you try and combine them together, it only makes a complete mess of things. My suggestion would be to stick with one or the other. If you don't , you will only either 1) confuse yourself and others 2) use examples that will either relate with 1 or the other. I've seen it happen here too many times. Some people will use examples to their advantage, depending on what they want to hear. Personally i don't think MBTI forums is the place to talk about another theory. Its messy confusing and many don't even agree with it. You may or may not get positive responses due to what some believe or not. You could research on your own time, but i don't see the advantages trying to have it makes sense in a MBTI forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueGiraffe View Post
    Thanks. I am seeing ISTP there, very strongly. He is strong and set in his personal viewpoints but tolerant of others. The only "J" thing in that link that is him is "very capable and efficient at most things which they endeavor" So true of him!

    But I also see ISTp in Socionics. [he had his wild side as a youth like "p" vs. model of conformity of model like a "j"], and does not seem concerned with "winning" others to his viewpoints all the time as the "j" does.

    So, Blue Giraffe, so you see yourself in the physical and type descriptions in Socionics as ISTp or ISTj??

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    @Eliza. Peace to you.

    I linked to MBTI pages, not Socionics

    As far as your questions, let's try something. You pull out quotes about both types and I'll tell you if it fits me or not. Don't include which type it is in the post, but remember which one is which. You'll get an unbiased opinion then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueGiraffe View Post
    @Eliza. Peace to you.

    I linked to MBTI pages, not Socionics

    As far as your questions, let's try something. You pull out quotes about both types and I'll tell you if it fits me or not. Don't include which type it is in the post, but remember which one is which. You'll get an unbiased opinion then.
    And you are such an ISTP! Excellent economy of effort! Okay, I am working on the quiz. :)
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