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I know that I have either one or the other in my heart triad but I'm not sure which one. Examples please :unsure:
 

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4w3 is just a little bit wacky, along with the gender, make public, novelty, there is often an outrageous shock others, 3w4 are more restrained, they would belong to the mainstream of automation and the environment, more appropriately.
They have high self-esteem, eager to gain recognition.
 

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Here's some tips from the official Enneagram Institute Website: (enneagraminstitute.com)

Here also, misidentifications are probably the result of confusion over wing versus dominant type: 3w4 and 4w3. The primary difference between these types can be seen in their relationship with their emotional life. Threes tend to focus on task, on efficiency, on performance. Of course, Threes have feelings, but as much as possible, they put them on the backburner whenever there are things to get done—and with many Threes, that is most of the time. As Threes become less healthy, they increasingly see their own feelings as “speed bumps”–annoyances that must be dealt with but which interfere with their effectiveness. Threes want to get their goals accomplished, and then, time permitting, process their feelings.

Fours are almost the exact opposite. Naturally, Fours want to accomplish things too, but when difficult feelings arise, Fours want to stop what they are doing and process them before returning to their tasks. The less healthy the Four, the more he or she will need lots of time to sort through troubling feelings and reactions. Threes can see the Four’s preoccupation with sorting feelings as unprofessional and immature. Fours can see the Three’s obsession with performance as inauthentic and shallow.

It is far more common for Threes to mistype as Fours than vice versa. This is especially true for Threes who grew up in families in which artistic self-expression was particularly valued. They may mistakenly believe that only Fours are creative, while failing to recognize that there have been many noted artists who are Threes.
The main idea is: 4w3's like to deal with their feelings before their goals, and 3w4's like to deal with their goals before their feelings.

Hope that helps!
 

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My boss is 3w4. She is extremely ambitious. Her drive to achieve is much more obvious and on the surface than mine. She is a workaholic. She is a little quirky and likes that about herself, Image is very important to her. but overall her drive to work work work is very obvious. I like to work hard but seek out unique ways to get the job done. I would love to achieve but I am lazy.. i often give up before I begin. I am often frustrated when others don't recognize my work, my drive, or my aptitude right away and that can deter me from tackling something.
 

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3w4 is confident, hard working, sociable, charming and artstic
4w3 might appear as a confident, charming and sociable person, but there's always a modesty that 3 lacks. The overall appearance is more shy and reserved, because even thogh 4w3s might be good at communication and interaction with others, they still are bounded with the 4s basic fear of rejection and shyness. 4w3 also first has to deal with its emotions and only then can strat to work, while 3w4 deals with work and responsibilities before the emotions.
 

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This is from my experience as a 3w4:

I'm very artistic, but the way I go about art is more through the lenses of "style" or "class." I adore impressionist and romantic styles, which corresponds perfectly with my 3 enneatype. I dislike horror, or perturbing art; I believe the girl in GhostShadow's video has that vibe. There's darker undertones but more rawness in 4s. However because of my 4w, I enjoy unconventional stuff... But here's the catch: only if it looks good. For instance, I adore this creation here: https://youtu.be/TKpbU_9xEiE

I find that 4s are more likely to complain, for some reason. They're very moody. I can be too, but I usually suppress it, reserving my pain or misery for art. As a 3w4, image comes first, than authenticity. For instance, I want to be seen as someone desireable first; that is my instinct. But this is coupled with the need to be liked for my "true self." I can't stand being fake. All my friends think I'm crazy and a little weird (but they are too so we're a good fit). I think for me, the way I present myself to people is as the "authentic image." Like my art. I just put aesthetics first.

I hope this makes sense. I've really never thought of all that before. Thanks for reading, though!
 

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I think it can be about the same. Nobody has ONLY one message from its subconscious.
You can be like 55% 3 and 45% 4.

Deciding beteween two is just to find the most effective way to deal with your problems.

Sometimes I'm 4, sometimes 3. I don't really know but I don't care, knowing that I have 3 and 4 in me is enough.
You cannot say there is a huge difference, it's not compatible with the underlying continuous scale.

Expressing is uniqueness and being successful can be linked.

Personnaly, I want ti success to be loved but also to express my uniqueness without stress.
I'm very sensitive, I think it's more genetic than idea-driven.
 

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This is from my experience as a 3w4:

I'm very artistic, but the way I go about art is more through the lenses of "style" or "class." I adore impressionist and romantic styles, which corresponds perfectly with my 3 enneatype. I dislike horror, or perturbing art; I believe the girl in GhostShadow's video has that vibe. There's darker undertones but more rawness in 4s. However because of my 4w, I enjoy unconventional stuff... But here's the catch: only if it looks good. For instance, I adore this creation here: https://youtu.be/TKpbU_9xEiE
Sorry, I know this is an old post, but it helped me clarify for myself whether I was 3w4 or 4w3, and I definitely identify with you here. Just wanted to thank you for sharing. :)
 

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3w4 will put their agenda before their feelings.
4w3 will sort through their feelings before working on their agenda.

Quotes from Typewatch Enneagram: Typewatch Enneagram Type Descriptions

The 3w4 version of outstanding is closer to something that's more w4 exclusive, more unique and original, just out of reach and admired from a distance. 3w4s are more aloof, more melanchonlic and icy cool. They tend to romanticize the hard work needed to get to top when no one was looking: "the dignity that is in work"(Obama). They are about putting their best foot forward in a more professional dignified manner. As one poster put it:

"The 3w4 romanticising of “hard work” is really the keen awareness of the image/reality dichotomy – it’s about “everything you don’t see” – the work it takes to “appear as though there is no effort involved” – it’s about knowing “what it takes”; that sense of bittersweetness every time someone gives you a compliment. It’s the secret you keep of everything you’re not – of how you’ve had to become, but that no one else will ever know. It’s the steely, gracious and enigmatic smile as you walk on stage, thinking about “what it’s taken to get here”. That’s the 3w4 romanticism of hard work. That sense of being born with leaden feet, but having overcome it with nothing but willpower and desire, to take to flight as though always born with great and golden wings."
4w3s are marked by multiple dichotomies due to types 3 and 4 being opposites in so many ways: inferior/superior, being/becoming, self-conscious/confident, putting themselves down/glorifying themselves, withdrawn/assertive, emotional/flatlined, reactive/cool-headed, mired in the past/focused on moving forward, awkward/poised, fragile/resilient, easily discouraged/do whatever it takes, rejecting the game/conquering the game. While they will put up countershame smokescreens to get your attention and see if you are perceptive enough to see and accept the real them underneath, they may seem distant to even close ones to keep up appearances. Ideally they'd have a rich emotional life without having the ugliest parts of themselves exposed.

Underneath a 4w3's more fluid identity their 4ness gives them an awareness of something truer and deeper within themselves that roots everything. Their 3 wing precludes people from seeing fully what is inside them including even themselves. However they know their personal awareness anchor is there no matter where their changeability takes them. They know on a deeper level their fluctuations stem back to a single consistent essence. Still, they wonder if they are fooling themselves. Despite their consistent underlying essence they lead an inconsistent life and wonder if they are being true to themselves. They try to balance selling themselves out in the real world with hanging out amongst the "keeping it real" crowd. They are more likely to go the distance in their career due to their three wing before their fourness causes them to sabotage themselves. In extreme cases 4w3s totally give up on life after finally "making it".
 

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I dated a 3w4 and I'm a 4w3. I'm coming at an angle from experience, not at all saying that all 3w4s are this way. She was not healthy.

She was less authentic, more caring about appearing perfect, and there was a general "falseness" about her motivations. She knew how to get what she wanted and went after it like a shark. Smooth, charismatic, and a bit of a "suck-up" to people. Generally the disingenuous attitude she had made me feel uncomfortable, because I knew her and I could see through it.
 

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I dated a 3w4 and I'm a 4w3. I'm coming at an angle from experience, not at all saying that all 3w4s are this way. She was not healthy.

She was less authentic, more caring about appearing perfect, and there was a general "falseness" about her motivations. She knew how to get what she wanted and went after it like a shark. Smooth, charismatic, and a bit of a "suck-up" to people. Generally the disingenuous attitude she had made me feel uncomfortable, because I knew her and I could see through it.
That's generally how it is as an unhealthy 3w4, but on the inside its like selling your soul to satan. Satan being your ego.
 

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4s feel more authentic and spontaneous. All 3s I know are controlled, polished and always feel a little inauthentic and fake.
4s also all have that feeling of inadequacy and insecurity, that is always part of their image. 4s feel like they don't belong, they're not as good as others, something is different about them - but that's what makes them special and sets them apart from everyone. It's that weird 4ish mix of inferiority and superiority. "I am not as good as everyone else, but special and unique, and that's what makes me better than them"
and the 3 wing just makes them want to show that to the world and get recognition for it.
4s also are way more - authentically - emotional than 3s. They go inward into their emotions to figure out who they really are. And then, if they have a 3 wing, they want to express that to others.

A 3w4 doesn't feel any sense of inferiority or inadequacy, at least not consciously. A 3 is always "amazing! a great guy!" in their own mind. They are successful, well liked, get things done, good looking, tasteful - but they are all that in their own original way. They have some of these 4ish image traits, such as being original, creative, emotional - but only in a positive way, a 3 will not likely have a negative self-image. They might try to be successful and achieve their goals in their own, personal, unique way, but it's not in any way an authentic expression of their true self; it's a fassade.
A 3w4 is a success-driven achiever who puts on a fassade that looks (!) authentic, original and personal, but there is little connection to actual emotions and authenticity.
 

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4s generelly create their image by going inside; to their emotions, fantasies, thoughts, hopes, dreams, longings etc. They hope to find their "true self" by delving into all that stuff.
3s don't seem to believe that there is a "true self within"; that would restrict them too much, 3s are "self made", they create their image with their actions and achievments. I am what I do, I am what I achieve.
What they do might be more personal and be more about style, creativity, emotions etc. if they have a 4wing, but their image is still based on their achievments, not on what they feel, dream about or what they long for.
 
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