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OK fellow fours. I worked as a spectrum outreach specialist for 2 years. During that time I researched a fair amount of autism, and have a lot of knowledge of what someone with autism thinks like as opposed to someone with out.

Of course, its a spectrum, and we're all on the spectrum.

It seems like y'all are not being objective enough. Not to discount your own feeling of being aspergers , but someone so emotionally in tune CAN NOT have aspergers because those with aspergers are NOT emotionally in tune.

ALSO, aspergers tend to PERSEVERATE on MEANINGLESS subjects. NOT illusive meaning attached to objects or words, and the like.

Just because you 'stim' doesnt mean you have aspergers. Also, social awkwardness comes from several places. Not just, aspergers. 4s are very self conscious, but that isnt the same as sociall awkward because you DONT arent self conscious ENOUGH.
You also have no idea how much work someone may have put in and gone through to learn how to label their emotional states and become self aware at all.

Trying to diagnosis or invalidate someones issues on a forum is not very nice.
 
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For me it was, 26 yrs ago I was dxed so its easy to say ahh.. they messed up and I have done everything in my power to study therapy books, psychology, theatre and more to appear more normal. But that was kind of "no.. you are not neurotypical. Heres why" I will say I get in a lot of trouble when I get frustrated with female hinting and say too strong for their taste "Are you hinting at something If so come out and say what you want." Then there is pouting and I don't know why.
Yeah, people misunderstanding aspies breaks my heart. How many neurotypicals can you make a direct statement to like "I'd rather talk to you in person than on the phone, because on the phone, you aren't responsive to my feedback and keep repeating yourself and I feel disconnected and bored"? Most people would be hugely offended by that; my aspie friend (same one I mentioned above who translates poetry) took it in stride, and even apologized. Ugh. Most people on the autistic spectrum make huge efforts to bridge the communication divide. Ticks me off when others don't reciprocate the effort. I apologize on behalf of my non-aspie brethren. ;)
 

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Yeah, people misunderstanding aspies breaks my heart. How many neurotypicals can you make a direct statement to like "I'd rather talk to you in person than on the phone, because on the phone, you aren't responsive to my feedback and keep repeating yourself and I feel disconnected and bored"? Most people would be hugely offended by that; my aspie friend (same one I mentioned above who translates poetry) took it in stride, and even apologized. Ugh--most people on the autistic spectrum make huge efforts to bridge the communication divide. Ticks me off when others don't reciprocate the effort. I apologize on behalf of my non-aspie brethren. ;)
I don't mind the phone with some people. Most I say NO PHONES EMAIL ME!
or IM.

I don't even like talking in person unless its someone important to me or someone who needs counsel.

For instance my exhusband would get weird and withdrawn and mad at me and I would have no idea why. Then sulk like a woman for hours. Because I said something "wrong" being too logical and not valuing his emotional state. Well its exhausting to constantly try to understand someones emotional state. Especially if its someone who wants you to guess everything and try to read their mind.

I can be really nurturing and a gentle hippie but my family also is quite familiar with my Sheldon from big bang theory/spock personality. Like "you are sitting in my spot. " You just DDOSED my brain by speaking to me when I was deep in thought planning something, working something out. Or I get mad and say I have had enough of your human dramatics get back to me when you can speak coherently.

Its really not personal. But trying to understand someone screaming over me and trying to control the situation is too much stimulation at once.

One on one or in a chat with family even I take them on IRC or skype for family meetings sometimes. I can process easier in text. Pretty much the only person I love being with face to face is my current one . Men in the past barely interested me beyond the physical and talking about literature, films, science etc.

The rest of the world often overwhelm me and tire me out after long periods of socializing.

I care deeply about what is wrong with you sometimes. I will spend hours counseling if you are hurt and use my animal instincts to figure you out and try to solve it even. I am happy to, I can even do the party thing for hours with people. But its not because I care to fit in or socialize. I do it for people important to me or an objective beyond "fitting in"

Most of the time I truly do not give a shit what people think of me, its a blessing and a curse. A curse because my family knows and while they do not take it personally, want to beat me for it at times.

I have had periods of doubt where I wanted to be "normal" so bad. I fifrst found out in first grade when I was put in special ed for writing letters backwards. They thought I was dyslexic, tested me and said "gifted and on the spectrum" and made a deal of my rocking and stimming.

Obviously now, the dsm is such a mess the likelihood of an adult who has learned to mimic being dxed properly is low. I feel for them. I never did anything with mine, my mother was too busy getting baked to care. She mocked my rocking and called me some horrible slurs for it.


What I tell people who do not have thousands to get a proper dx and sometimes more than one doctor. Is to educate themselves on it and do what they can to correct whatever things they struggle with or consider a "deficiency" Because it can be learned with cognitive therapy, self awareness to slow down responses, to be aware of others facial tics. To try to be more gentle in responding and ask if they are okay.

When my exhusband wanted to understand me I told him to watch Mozart and the Whale.

Does that help?
 
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Problems with social skills: Children with Asperger's syndrome generally have difficulty interacting with others and often are awkward in social situations. They generally do not make friends easily. They have difficulty initiating and maintaining conversation.
Eccentric or repetitive behaviors: Children with this condition may develop odd, repetitive movements, such as hand wringing or finger twisting.
Unusual preoccupations or rituals: A child with Asperger's syndrome may develop rituals that he or she refuses to alter, such as getting dressed in a specific order.
Communication difficulties: People with Asperger's syndrome may not make eye contact when speaking with someone. They may have trouble using facial expressions and gestures, and understanding body language. They also tend to have problems understanding language in context and are very literal in their use of language.
Limited range of interests: A child with Asperger's syndrome may develop an intense, almost obsessive, interest in a few areas, such as sports schedules, weather, or maps.
Coordination problems: The movements of children with Asperger's syndrome may seem clumsy or awkward. ORR
you could just be a clutz cuz your heads in the clouds or you care more about your mind than physical stuff
Skilled or talented: Many children with Asperger's syndrome are exceptionally talented or skilled in a particular area, such as music or math.
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Hello, me.

So that's what my problem really is.
 

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@LeoCat Thanks for the post. I always enjoys looks inside people's minds like that. I wonder how overstimulation and difficulty with certain kinds of in-person contact plays into being an extravert. I imagine being an introvert would be much easier. (I'm a bit of a wannabe introvert myself.)

As far as the thread's concerned, I just really don't see how the characteristics of autism would conflict with being a 4. It's pretty easy for me to imagine a 4 with autism/Aspergers. Would you agree with that, or no?
 

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@LeoCat Thanks for the post. I always enjoys looks inside people's minds like that. I wonder how overstimulation and difficulty with certain kinds of in-person contact plays into being an extravert. I imagine being an introvert would be much easier. (I'm a bit of a wannabe introvert myself.)

As far as the thread's concerned, I just really don't see how the characteristics of autism would conflict with being a 4. It's pretty easy for me to imagine a 4 with autism/Aspergers. Would you agree with that, or no?

Your deepest wound and motivation is not the same thing as a neurological difficulty.

A lot of people with autism get into the theatre, dance, arts. To be seen for who they are, envying people who seem more normal. Aspergirls and a few other resources mention this fact. When you train yourself mimicking to keep from standing out much, acting comes naturally.

I personally do not put a lot of stock in enneagram. I use it as a tool to uncover what needs to be made aware and worked on. Not a black and white guide to my life and motivations. I hope that helps.

Anytime you would like to dig in my head you are more than welcome.
 

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You sound more like a socially anxious introvert than an autistic person. Social awkwardness and discomfort with eye contact are not always caused by autism spectrum disorder.

The DSM-V has eliminated Asperger's as a valid diagnosis because it became a "fad diagnosis" applied to any individual who was "too different." In high school, my school psychologist insisted I had Asperger's (I don't) for "being quiet and refusing to act like a normal teenage girl". The revised diagnosis of Autism Spectrum Disorder has a much more clearly defined set of symptoms, so I suggest looking it up before you decide you have autistic traits.
 
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