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Hmmm, an interesting conversation starter for sure... but I'm skeptical.
Agreed. There are some good points in there. Then there's this:

analysis showed that a person's level of shyness had no bearing on whether or not he or she was romantically involved
I am totally certain that at least one of the following two factors completely fudged the validity of this study.

1. Only women were polled.
2. The truly shy people refused to emerge from their caves just to expose themselves to the shame brought on by publicly admitting to being forever alone.

Social anxiety is the bane of my existence. I've done tons of research on it. Most of my (few) friends have it to some degree. I've spent lots of time on various social anxiety and avoidant personality disorder forums reading the stories of and chatting with social anxiety sufferers. For those (men) who really have social anxiety - not those people who think they are shy because they get a little nervous when they have to speak in front of a massive audience or can't spontaneously act like a drunken asshole on command - a complete or near complete lack of relationships and sexual interaction is a fact of life.

Case-in-point: Avoidant personality disorder. You can think of it as extreme social anxiety. Who has it? Gender-wise, the distribution is even - 50% men, 50% women. Who seeks treatment for it? Men are overwhelmingly more likely to seek treatment. Anyone treating this and related disorders will tell you that men with AvPD come to them almost universally for one reason.

They have no love life whatsoever.

I don't think I need to explain why such a condition hits men much harder than women when it comes to relationships and intimacy but just in case... Social standards and gender roles are to blame.

That's not to say that avoidant and/or socially anxious women don't suffer as well, but these conditions usually don't bar women from participating in the dating game the way they do men. I have seen a few exceptions here and there, but most of the time the situation is self imposed - for instance, the girl turns down every request for a date or relationship for fear that they will later embarrass themselves with that person and/or be rejected.

Anyway, that long tangent was mostly an insurance policy against the myriad disgruntled PerC members that could potentially seize on the opportunity to accuse me of some kind of unconscious sexism for daring to state factor 1. I've seen plenty of that, too.

My (relevant) point is that that study is either a complete lie or severely flawed.

EDIT: It's probably worth mentioning that introversion does not equal social anxiety or shyness. Not all (or even most) introverts have SA, and some extraverts DO have it.
 

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I think it was just meant to be a feel-good article for the less socially inclined members of modern society. Your Avoidant Personality Disorder sounds like a real drag and I'm sorry to hear that, but honestly the article still made some fair and enlightening points. It wasn't actually aimed at people of your unfortunate condition. It was aimed at people like myself who simply are/were not so good at doing the whole 'social butterfly' thing and why they shouldn't feel bad about it. The extreme end of the scale is of course a different case, but I think it's not really aimed at the AvPD crowd but, as the titles says, the more average 'awkward teenager.'

I for one felt a connection with a lot of what it said. I'm not that bad at socialising, but during my teenage years, and even now when trying to interact romantically with the opposite sex, I can say I have a fair amount in common with this guy:



But still. It's cracked.com. So in the end it is just an article aimed at the widest and most typical Internet audience.
 

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I think it was just meant to be a feel-good article for the less socially inclined members of modern society. Your Avoidant Personality Disorder sounds like a real drag and I'm sorry to hear that, but honestly the article still made some fair and enlightening points. It wasn't actually aimed at people of your unfortunate condition. It was aimed at people like myself who simply are/were not so good at doing the whole 'social butterfly' thing and why they shouldn't feel bad about it. The extreme end of the scale is of course a different case, but I think it's not really aimed at the AvPD crowd but, as the titles says, the more average 'awkward teenager.'

I for one felt a connection with a lot of what it said. I'm not that bad at socialising, but during my teenage years, and even now when trying to interact romantically with the opposite sex, I can say I have a fair amount in common with this guy:



But still. It's cracked.com. So in the end it is just an article aimed at the widest and most typical Internet audience.
Yeeeaaaahhhh... my bad. I guess SA is my one big emotional trigger. And you know, those damned emotions. Gotta make everything personal and obliterate your sense of context.

You could insult me till you're voice gives out and I'd just grin and chuckle at your pathetic attempts to provoke me, but if you insult me or anyone else for being erm... socially challenged, then you're gonna lose some teeth.
 

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Yeeeaaaahhhh... my bad. I guess SA is my one big emotional trigger. And you know, those damned emotions. Gotta make everything personal and obliterate your sense of context.

You could insult me till you're voice gives out and I'd just grin and chuckle at your pathetic attempts to provoke me, but if you insult me or anyone else for being erm... socially challenged, then you're gonna lose some teeth.
Wow, sorry I really did not intend to make it sound like I was insulting you.

I just wanted to say that I think the article is mainly written for a general 'awkward teenagers' audience, which is something a lot of INTPs can relate to.

It was just my way of counter-arguing against you saying the whole article was completely moot.

Don't take it so personally. I wasn't saying, "AvPD haha fuck you." . I was saying that your problem is of course bad but the article wasn't really written for the more extreme end of the spectrum.

I feel for you, really.
 

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Wow, sorry I really did not intend to make it sound like I was insulting you.

I just wanted to say that I think the article is mainly written for a general 'awkward teenagers' audience, which is something a lot of INTPs can relate to.

It was just my way of counter-arguing against you saying the whole article was completely moot.

Don't take it so personally. I wasn't saying, "AvPD haha fuck you." . I was saying that your problem is of course bad but the article wasn't really written for the more extreme end of the spectrum.

I feel for you, really.
No no no no, you're fine. I didn't think you insulted me. I should have stated what I was trying to say more clearly. I was just giving an example of how irrational I can be when my buttons get pressed in the right combination.

I'm not even sure I have full on AvPD. Social anxiety for sure, though. I certainly didn't come here to whine about my own situation in any case. It was more about correcting what I believed to be misinformation, but I never stopped to consider where the writer of the article was coming from or what exactly he was trying to accomplish.
 

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I agree on #1 -- everyone seems to make more of their minor mistakes than others make of them. In general. And this keeps them from taking risks or making an effort sometimes.

Basically, everyone's so focused on themselves and their own issues, unless it impacts them directly, they might not even notice the things that seem so glaring to the person involved.
 
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