There is as much as there ever has been.
A rather interesting persective.
Apologies for the title as it can be considered "click-bait" first of all.
Lately I have been observing the world and my surroundings (to develop Se), when an interesting realization hit me with a sense of shock. In observing the general style of home architecture, while the house can have different angles/symmetry/surroundings, at it's core it is still wood, brick and mortar. Everything we build or develop in this age is an improvement or a refinement of the past, to which the realization hit me: There is little to no originality left in this world. I struggle to understand why did that realization evoked such a feeling of dis-contentment.
So does it trouble you, fellow INTJ's that there is nothing original (or close to nothing) left in this world? I am rather keen in hearing your thoughts on this matter.
Lately I have been observing the world and my surroundings (to develop Se), when an interesting realization hit me with a sense of shock. In observing the general style of home architecture, while the house can have different angles/symmetry/surroundings, at it's core it is still wood, brick and mortar. Everything we build or develop in this age is an improvement or a refinement of the past, to which the realization hit me: There is little to no originality left in this world. I struggle to understand why did that realization evoked such a feeling of dis-contentment.
So does it trouble you, fellow INTJ's that there is nothing original (or close to nothing) left in this world? I am rather keen in hearing your thoughts on this matter.
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Why would there be a limitation to originality?
There would often be patterns on human creations (for example certain tunes in music are used again) but originality running out? No, what even makes you think that?
There would often be patterns on human creations (for example certain tunes in music are used again) but originality running out? No, what even makes you think that?
This is exactly why you don't write posts like these in 4am in the morning.. *gathers thoughts*
Perhaps it would be best if I were to re-define the above. It's more to do with the fact, that everywhere you observe, you only see patterns, variations of the old/new, but nothing that is truly an original idea. Take our current "tastes" in music you hear on the radio. It's all about love and the likes, to my knowledge, I have rarely heard a track that is not about what I mentioned above. Or the idea that the building are built on brick and stone.
Despite how the soundtrack/building looks on the outside, inside the "core" it is still the same concept. To me an original idea is something that re-defines a concept from the ground up, or something the human race has not seen before such as the understanding of the 4th dimension or generating wireless energy by Tesla (if to be believed). It may be me, but to me it's almost disturbing as I don't see something that is truly uniquely appealing as either a concept or something else. Does this clarify things?
Perhaps it would be best if I were to re-define the above. It's more to do with the fact, that everywhere you observe, you only see patterns, variations of the old/new, but nothing that is truly an original idea. Take our current "tastes" in music you hear on the radio. It's all about love and the likes, to my knowledge, I have rarely heard a track that is not about what I mentioned above. Or the idea that the building are built on brick and stone.
Despite how the soundtrack/building looks on the outside, inside the "core" it is still the same concept. To me an original idea is something that re-defines a concept from the ground up, or something the human race has not seen before such as the understanding of the 4th dimension or generating wireless energy by Tesla (if to be believed). It may be me, but to me it's almost disturbing as I don't see something that is truly uniquely appealing as either a concept or something else. Does this clarify things?
Society works by building up on already existing things. There is still originality even though it can sometimes be hard to see due to the widespread use of "non-original" ideas. Advancements are made in many scientific fields and people come with original ideas from time to time.
That's how I feel when I walk through the new developments near my dad's neighborhood. The older houses have "character" while the newer models are variations on four or less themes. There's still something pretty about a motif, though.
I feel this way about developments that spur gentrification on. Unique buildings are torn down or gutted in order to make room for a Whole Foods, Starbucks and trendy 'indie' cafe with exposed brick and low light settings. Old people are recycled for the young, hip and upwardly mobile. It's easy to guess what's coming as soon as a Starbucks is introduced because you've seen it before.
[Even now, the tiny house "movement" isn't original anymore and hipsters in Brooklyn all wear the same ugly shaggy beards]
So maybe lack of originality isn't the right way to phrase my response to the question, but sameness or conformity... which can be the same as not being original, but not quite. Cuz really, this is how someone felt a generation ago and the generation before that.
As for music, stop listening to the radio unless you regularly tune into specially curated stations, like college radio for example. Mainstream is a waste of time.
I feel this way about developments that spur gentrification on. Unique buildings are torn down or gutted in order to make room for a Whole Foods, Starbucks and trendy 'indie' cafe with exposed brick and low light settings. Old people are recycled for the young, hip and upwardly mobile. It's easy to guess what's coming as soon as a Starbucks is introduced because you've seen it before.
[Even now, the tiny house "movement" isn't original anymore and hipsters in Brooklyn all wear the same ugly shaggy beards]
So maybe lack of originality isn't the right way to phrase my response to the question, but sameness or conformity... which can be the same as not being original, but not quite. Cuz really, this is how someone felt a generation ago and the generation before that.
As for music, stop listening to the radio unless you regularly tune into specially curated stations, like college radio for example. Mainstream is a waste of time.
The above summarizes most of which I meant by a lack of originality. A concern I share, thank you for sharing this. I have already stopped listening to radio, as the amount of shallowness, immaturity, and stupid things being said on there, makes me look at them in a VERY negative manner.That's how I feel when I walk through the new developments near my dad's neighborhood. The older houses have "character" while the newer models are variations on four or less themes. There's still something pretty about a motif, though.
I feel this way about developments that spur gentrification on. Unique buildings are torn down or gutted in order to make room for a Whole Foods, Starbucks and trendy 'indie' cafe with exposed brick and low light settings. Old people are recycled for the young, hip and upwardly mobile. It's easy to guess what's coming as soon as a Starbucks is introduced because you've seen it before.
[Even now, the tiny house "movement" isn't original anymore and hipsters in Brooklyn all wear the same ugly shaggy beards]
So maybe lack of originality isn't the right way to phrase my response to the question, but sameness or conformity... which can be the same as not being original, but not quite. Cuz really, this is how someone felt a generation ago and the generation before that.
As for music, stop listening to the radio unless you regularly tune into specially curated stations, like college radio for example. Mainstream is a waste of time.
I'll present you with a formula for originality. It's simple. Think of the basics and rearrange them. If you have enough quantity to rearrange you will find an original combination. Of course that combination may not be very interesting. (I read some posts use the word "pattern" which is hard to define.) So how can a unique pattern or combination be made to be interesting enough to call it original? Answer: take a look at a context outside and beyond the basics and relate your pattern to that.Lately I have been observing the world and my surroundings (to develop Se), when an interesting realization hit me with a sense of shock. In observing the general style of home architecture, while the house can have different angles/symmetry/surroundings, at it's core it is still wood, brick and mortar. Everything we build or develop in this age is an improvement or a refinement of the past, to which the realization hit me: There is little to no originality left in this world. I struggle to understand why did that realization evoked such a feeling of dis-contentment.
So does it trouble you, fellow INTJ's that there is nothing original (or close to nothing) left in this world? I am rather keen in hearing your thoughts on this matter.
Now what the heck am I talking about. Try this: all the architecture (your Se topic) you can think of seems unoriginal. Find a new concept. I'm no expert at this. Caves? Music? Protection against nuclear attack, hurricanes? Been done you say. What about electronics? A union of electronics and nature. I'm no expert at this, but others I'm sure can come up with something in the new.
Anyway take something modern and new. Now try to come up with an architecture which optimizes harmony with that. You will have something original.
I get frustrated, scared and sad if I think about this too much. There's nothing to be done. Slightly original things can still come about - as we create new tech and materials, things like 3D printing and such will lead to mild innovation in the short term. But eventually, all those ideas will become old and they, too, will go into the growing pile of things we merely recycle and build upon.
Nearly everything is based on a few very simple templates and it seems all we can do is gradually deviate in every-expanding circles over long periods of time until we've changed those templates enough to look radically different (eg. from living in caves/crude shelters to living in modern mansions). Their inherent natures will still stay the same, though.
We're very limited by our human minds, time, resources, and the general way that this universe works. I like to imagine there's another universe far away where everything is different and truly new things come into existence more easily.
Nearly everything is based on a few very simple templates and it seems all we can do is gradually deviate in every-expanding circles over long periods of time until we've changed those templates enough to look radically different (eg. from living in caves/crude shelters to living in modern mansions). Their inherent natures will still stay the same, though.
We're very limited by our human minds, time, resources, and the general way that this universe works. I like to imagine there's another universe far away where everything is different and truly new things come into existence more easily.
I see this thread is in the INTJ section. INTJ = Ni Te Fi Se. Sounds like Te thinking with Se data. What about trying out Ne about all sorts of things and running a little Ti on it? That's me, an INTP. Instead of hard Se try soft Ne and one can come up with all sorts of new ideas. Recycling things to me sounds like coming up against a wall. But by running combinations of things in different environments, there is no end to what one can come up with. No wall as there are too many combos. Does this help any?I get frustrated, scared and sad if I think about this too much. There's nothing to be done. Slightly original things can still come about - as we create new tech and materials, things like 3D printing and such will lead to mild innovation in the short term. But eventually, all those ideas will become old and they, too, will go into the growing pile of things we merely recycle and build upon.
Think of things on the forefront of science like AI, robotics, nuclear physics, modern sociology, solving world problems: political science, medicine. I'd call those things in developmental stages where one doesn't have to worry about things becoming routine, maybe ever ... . Ask yourself what are your interests and see what is being developed.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is the main reason
I love old architecture but the cost of having a quality home designed and built by true craftsmen is outrageous
this estate was built between 1902-1920 [took 18 years to construct] sonnenberg gardens
I've been there many times, total cost was $600,000
today it would cost tens of millions
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I love old architecture but the cost of having a quality home designed and built by true craftsmen is outrageous
this estate was built between 1902-1920 [took 18 years to construct] sonnenberg gardens
I've been there many times, total cost was $600,000
today it would cost tens of millions
Hey. You found out where I live! How come I've never seen you?$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is the main reason
I love old architecture but the cost of having a quality home designed and built by true craftsmen is outrageous
this estate was built between 1902-1920 [took 18 years to construct] sonnenberg gardens
I've been there many times, total cost was $600,000
today it would cost tens of millions
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because I'm wearing camouflage peeking into your bushes :shocked:Hey. You found out where I live! How come I've never seen you?
Oh yeah, I became aware very quickly that what I was saying was bullshit but I liked the gloominess of it so I just kept going anyway lmaoI see this thread is in the INTJ section. INTJ = Ni Te Fi Se. Sounds like Te thinking with Se data. What about trying out Ne about all sorts of things and running a little Ti on it? That's me, an INTP. Instead of hard Se try soft Ne and one can come up with all sorts of new ideas. Recycling things to me sounds like coming up against a wall. But by running combinations of things in different environments, there is no end to what one can come up with. No wall as there are too many combos. Does this help any?
Think of things on the forefront of science like AI, robotics, nuclear physics, modern sociology, solving world problems: political science, medicine. I'd call those things in developmental stages where one doesn't have to worry about things becoming routine, maybe ever ... . Ask yourself what are your interests and see what is being developed.
*sigh* Can't say I saw that one coming.Oh yeah, I became aware very quickly that what I was saying was bullshit but I liked the gloominess of it so I just kept going anyway lmao
Either way, still something for thought at the current time. Thanks for your opinions.
I still think what I said applies to the majority of things, especially cultural things like fashion, art, music (entertainment in general) and even a lot of technological advancements (a lot of stuff we're coming up with is just refinement of very old ideas, or designed to better achieve the same goals we've been striving toward for hundreds of years). For example, travelling by horse, hovercar, teleportation, whatever comes next??? - it's all still us just trying to travel long distances, which is an idea we've had in our heads for thousands for years. But there are still areas that lend themselves to original ideas and inventions. Medicine is exciting right now.*sigh* Can't say I saw that one coming.
Either way, still something for thought at the current time. Thanks for your opinions.
I'm not sure I'd say robotics is a field rich in originality, though. We're just making robots that do stuff we've been trying to do all along but better. That's just improvement on old ways/ideas, and while finding new ways to do things involves some original thought...for some reason, I don't care about that kind of originality. The increments it works in are too small. It goes back to that slow deviation from the template thing again.
I don't know what I'm saying, I think I've contradicted myself a few times here, I have to go nap
EDIT: BigApplePi is right in saying that originality can come from bringing together two things that are not usually connected and creating something new out of them. It's not pure originality but it's probably the closest we can get.
Things and happenings usually only start looking original when someone implements based on some perceived 'need'. And when you get back to the business of engaging/playing with/combining ideas, that frustration will probably vanish. There's no shortage of original ideas. You might like the cyberpunk era book "Saucer Wisdom" by Rudy Rucker. I have the original, but these days it's free to browse online Transreal Trilogy, by Rudy Rucker
All sorts of imaginings - species engineered to do special tasks- like eat clippings/leaves off the lawn, genetically modified gourds as houses, sunspots as a lifeform, people bradcasting their lives in "Me-Shows" (this actually came true although in a different form), programmable plastic... Speaking of architecture, do I really need a gourd house right now? Nope!
All sorts of imaginings - species engineered to do special tasks- like eat clippings/leaves off the lawn, genetically modified gourds as houses, sunspots as a lifeform, people bradcasting their lives in "Me-Shows" (this actually came true although in a different form), programmable plastic... Speaking of architecture, do I really need a gourd house right now? Nope!
Perhaps you're speaking to postmodernist sentiment.
Nothing is bullshit. Evrey thing counts when you immerse:shocked: yourself in it.Oh yeah, I became aware very quickly that what I was saying was bullshit but I liked the gloominess of it so I just kept going anyway lmao
Seems like you've went down a bit of a slippery slope and jumped the gun with that conclusion. There's plenty of originality in my opinion.
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