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yeah. Social in the big picture, help humanity, kind of way.
but for an intj, she is REALLY social in the "carry a conversation and notice other people exist" kind of way........ (smiles........)
yeah, this is why I think 9 as opposed to 8 (INTJ 8s are far from "let's be social and help humanity")
 

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yeah, this is why I think 9 as opposed to 8 (INTJ 8s are far from "let's be social and help humanity")
This is why why I thought 9 too. There are references here in the early days to "kill them all" and in the past I've been more like that shit who told a man with dementia that he repeats too much and he's silly. I try to do better and I don't say the first thing I'm thinking about here. Oh man if I did.....
 

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I've met some INTJ's who are SHOCKINGLY social, especially females. They have a mask of friendly, laughing, jovial, helpful.

under that about 4 layers is a snarky person. under that somewhere is someone who gets really fucking sick of all people once in a whlie, and needs a lot of quiet time. Under all that, is even more.

For a person to have all those layers, they tend to be VERY intelligent using any measure you wish.
 

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I've met some INTJ's who are SHOCKINGLY social, especially females. They have a mask of friendly, laughing, jovial, helpful.

under that about 4 layers is a snarky person. under that somewhere is someone who gets really fucking sick of all people once in a whlie, and needs a lot of quiet time. Under all that, is even more.

For a person to have all those layers, they tend to be VERY intelligent using any measure you wish.
A lot of INTJs talk about having social masks and being chameleonic (the women that is). If you are an INTJ woman and you haven't been called a weirdo, or different then you either couldn't be one or you are lying. That's my take.
 

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9s move away. They withdraw. They are generally cooperative while doing it though. lol. They don't physically remove themselves or even have to say a peep to remove themselves. They can just mentally ignore a hostile environment while remaining there physically.

3s move against. They move towards others in competition with them.

Malcolm X is textbook CP 6 moving towards people. They want to belong to things.


I've never known 3s to move against people. they're generally very sociable and don't like to cause trouble.

PS: Malcolm X was an 8 (8w7 So/Sx or Sx/So), not a cp6.
3s are an aggressive and competitive type.

The personality types corresponding to Karen Horney’s Aggressive strategy are the Three, Seven and Eight. All three are generally bold and energetic and respond to problems, threats and obstacles by expanding and reinforcing egoic boundaries. In other words, they see the world as offering up that which they need and their personal philosophy tends to be that the best things come to those who actively go after them. Therefore, they will assert themselves and demand that their needs be met.
 

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3s are an aggressive and competitive type.

The personality types corresponding to Karen Horney’s Aggressive strategy are the Three, Seven and Eight. All three are generally bold and energetic and respond to problems, threats and obstacles by expanding and reinforcing egoic boundaries. In other words, they see the world as offering up that which they need and their personal philosophy tends to be that the best things come to those who actively go after them. Therefore, they will assert themselves and demand that their needs be met.
3s are competitive, but they aren't generally aggressive. their ruthlessness is more subtle and doesn't manifest itself in social interactions (an extreme example of this is a politician, someone who is ruthlessly competitive, even Machiavellian, but puts on a friendly face to get elected)

as for Karen Horney's work, I'm not a fan of it in general, and her take here is completely off
1) 3s are not bold. they are hyper-conscientious and reluctant to express anything which has the possibility of making them look bad.
2) 3s don't generally make demands. the exception is that they may demand things after they have put in the work and feel as if they were overlooked, unfairly compensated or left out of the credit
3) 3's egos are seldom shown externally. most present as more false-humble and, if anything, would rather appear 1-ish than 8-ish or 7-ish

a lot of what was said her applies to 2s, 7s and 8s more than 3s.
 

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3s are competitive, but they aren't generally aggressive. their ruthlessness is more subtle and doesn't manifest itself in social interactions (an extreme example of this is a politician, someone who is ruthlessly competitive, even Machiavellian, but puts on a friendly face to get elected)

as for Karen Horney's work, I'm not a fan of it in general, and her take here is completely off
1) 3s are not bold. they are hyper-conscientious and reluctant to express anything which has the possibility of making them look bad.
2) 3s don't generally make demands. the exception is that they may demand things after they have put in the work and feel as if they were overlooked, unfairly compensated or left out of the credit
3) 3's egos are seldom shown externally. most present as more false-humble and, if anything, would rather appear 1-ish than 8-ish or 7-ish

a lot of what was said her applies to 2s, 7s and 8s more than 3s.


If they weren't bold, they wouldn't achieve anything. They are much bolder than 5 for example.

They are aggressive in that they are imposing their will on the environment in some way. Trying to affect it. Trying to get ahead in it. What you are describing is still moving against people. Which 3s do. Doesn't matter if they are conscientious about it or whatever they are still doing it.
 

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OK guys you're boring me now with the talk about 3s.

Does anyone think I'm relating to 5 so much because of being unhealthy or because it might be in my tritype?

We've established I don't really have the 6 thing happening because....well let's face it, I'm not that healthy and surely it would have popped up by now for you all to say I was one.
 

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If they weren't bold, they wouldn't achieve anything.
not necessarily. the majority of successful people are more, shall we say, pro-social, and make money by giving people what they want and telling people what they want to hear.

They are much bolder than 5 for example.
they can be.

They are aggressive in that they are imposing their will on the environment in some way. Trying to affect it. Trying to get ahead in it. What you are describing is still moving against people. Which 3s do. Doesn't matter if they are conscientious about it or whatever they are still doing it.
sort of. I'll admit you have a point here
 

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OK guys you're boring me now with the talk about 3s.

Does anyone think I'm relating to 5 so much because of being unhealthy or because it might be in my tritype?

We've established have popped t I don't really have the 6 thing happening because....well let's face it, I'm not that healthy and surely it would have popped up by now for you all to say I was one.
you seem 952 to me now that I've read further. back to instincts, in what ways to do you relate to Sx vs Sp (social dom is becoming more clear)?
 

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you seem 952 to me now that I've read further. back to instincts, in what ways to do you relate to Sx vs Sp (social dom is becoming more clear)?
My ignoring my health got me to a state of illness. I've rather gotten things done, push through, ignore comfort, ignore nesting, eating until I've passed through whatever it is, then I crash in private and hide away from everyone until I'm well enough for human interaction. I can boast having a urinary tract infection that lasted pretty much a year because I wanted to fight the damn thing off with water and cranberry juice. Can't say it was smart.

I do have relationships with people on a level of sheer love of smartarsery. They might not be sexual but it's something you know when you know. Drunk Parrot called it out....we love to make fun of each other to see what we can get away with....so many times I've gone to fuck him up and thought it would not be right because of the power I have as admin...not fair. I just want to keep trolling the hell out of him though. He knows it too.
 

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I do have relationships with people on a level of sheer love of smartarsery. They might not be sexual but it's something you know when you know. Drunk Parrot called it out....we love to make fun of each other to see what we can get away with....so many times I've gone to fuck him and thought it would not be right because of the power I have as admin...not fair. I just want to keep trolling the hell out of him though. He knows it too.
You're like the hall monitor using your influence to become buddies with the popular kids and be invited to all the cool parties.
 

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You're like the hall monitor using your influence to become buddies with the popular kids and be invited to all the cool parties.
Fie. I'm the hall monitor everyone comes to get secrets from then they leave with a stamp on their butt.
 

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OK so I have read a little about the tritype variations of 592.

592 doesn't fit the core of who I am. It seems more kind of passive and inner wordly. I roll my eyes at anyone talking spiritual matters and talking about the creation of Earth in as much as I really don't care but if you do, well that's fine but don't drag me in and especially don't try to indoctrinate my kid (I have lost my shit over that type of thing). I could live with 593 because of the idea that I might get stuff done and I can see the two in parts of my parenting but I'm far more aggressive IRL standing up to people than having time to think online. My neighbour comes to the door and asks me for coffee....I say no and close the door. My last neighbour before her, I got her kicked out because my place was robbed (probably by her).

I don't consider myself a passive person. I am restrained, tempered and a reformed bad girl who used to beat up people. I don't do that now because it's silly. I have found better ways to navigate my way around.
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People in the past (when I have flourished) have described me as indomitable, a firebrand, emotionally stable, empathetic, kind, inscrutable, an enigma, an intimidating person. I have met people who have later said I thought you were scary when I first met you but now I see you as very kind. My daughter uses meeting me as a litmus test for her friends. If they aren't scared of me then they are worth keeping and if they are scared of me they have something to hide. It's actually proven accurate for her.

I'm not really that protective of myself. I have layers that have been learned from past folly. Don't be vulnerable to people is more where I'm coming from. I have bent over backwards for people and I've self neglected (that part of 9 fits well) but it's more of a by product of untenable situations rather than some willing act of sacrifice.
 

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O My neighbour comes to the door and asks me for coffee....I say no and close the door. My last neighbour before her, I got her kicked out because my place was robbed (probably by her).

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fascinating to watch you. the coffee to me is Fi. The second is adjusting your environment to suit your desires. 8 with Fi. thats the lens I interpret that with.

I don't "believe in" tri type. Your core is your core. Your disintegration is your disintegration. Your integration direction is NOT the easiest one from the last triad.

I'm 8. 5 is obvious. 3 is next most obvious. I'm GOOD at all the 3 shit. When I'm on a roll, folks RESPECT me.
2 is harder. But 2 is my direction of growth.
 

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I don't "believe in" tri type. Your core is your core. Your disintegration is your disintegration. Your integration direction is NOT the easiest one from the last triad.

I'm 8. 5 is obvious. 3 is next most obvious. I'm GOOD at all the 3 shit. When I'm on a roll, folks RESPECT me.
2 is harder. But 2 is my direction of growth.
Gee, you must be 835; funny how tritype works.
 
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fascinating to watch you. the coffee to me is Fi. The second is adjusting your environment to suit your desires. 8 with Fi. thats the lens I interpret that with.

I don't "believe in" tri type. Your core is your core. Your disintegration is your disintegration. Your integration direction is NOT the easiest one from the last triad.

I'm 8. 5 is obvious. 3 is next most obvious. I'm GOOD at all the 3 shit. When I'm on a roll, folks RESPECT me.
2 is harder. But 2 is my direction of growth.
My neighbour is tough to deal with so I don't do much more than say no or grunt at her. She has no left hand. Literally. She's told me her entire life story upon the moment we met and how she lost her hand. I just stood there nodding stony faced wondering what the hell she was saying. Her Aussie accent is so Aussie that I have no idea what the hell she is saying.

I gave her coffee the first time as she just moved in. She knocks and knocks and knocks for the first few times after that calling out Beverly Beverly Beverly..... I ended up swinging the door open and saying my name is Beth but if you want to make it longer my name is Elizabeth then I told her not to knock on the door so much because if I am going to answer it I will and if I don't I don't. Her knocking was driving me absolutely crazy before that. I'd just go and sit out the back until she gave up.
 

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My other neighbour who is awesome had polio, had something like 150 or so operations and we crack jokes at each other about his wonky walk. He has a dog called Dick who I babysit on occasion. I always say when he is leaving, don't worry I'll look after your Dick for you. He's nicer to the neighbour I grunt at, he's probably a 5. He thinks it's hilarious how she'll ask me how I'm going and I walk straight past her without saying a thing.
 
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