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I am wondering if I am ENFP.

This is actually highly irritating because the ESTP forum seems to get a lot of personality types thinking they are ESTP's but aren't and never were. It annoys me that I may have mistyped myself too.

The main reason I question myself to be ENFP is because I am a very excited character, planning and plotting projects constantly, forever trying to sort my career out and I am highly ambitious. I can be extremely bubbily and have enjoyed socialising in the past. I also can be a bit of a 'dreamer'. I dream about what could be and get excited about things that I try to make happen.

What I do not warm to as much in the ENFP traits are their caringness to others. I tend to come across as quite sharp and offensive (which is a very common ESTP trait?). I do not feel like many people like me. Infact I have become somewhat of a recluse lately. I have only a handful of friends. I do not get close to people easily.

Other random traits:
I have a problem with anger. My mood can be irratic. I stress easily. I'm organised and creative. I start a lot of projects I never finish. I don't like being around family or people I don't generally 'click' with for a long period of time. I love to be alone at times. I hate poetry and other soppy related things. I'm spontaneous. I'm quick to act. I can bowl people over with information and explanations that are usually a defense of my actions. I am to the point.

It is tricky! :rolleyes:

Anyway, I know that just from these simply stated traits, one cannot figure out which type I really am. I have tried several tests but I know the questions so well now that they are inacurate.

Any suggestions or advice on helping myself to figure this out?

Many appreciated thanks in advance :happy:
 

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Derp! Guess I'll do a form:

1) What aspect of your personality made you unsure of your type?
The fact that I am very excited about projects that I plan to do. I get very involved in a project and work very fast to try and sort a solution to achieve what I want. Although often my desires to complete the porject waver and I decide I prefer something else.

2) What do you yearn for in life? Why?
I yearn to work somewhere that I enjoy and help to me feel good about myself. Something that I have worked hard for to achieve and love to do every day. I would like to be thought as a professional, it would give me pride that people see me as a master of what I do. (At the moment I am really interested in becoming a set decorator, thought I used to be an exhibition designer and a graphic designer through education, now I am working in a café to keep my bills paid untill I find an opportunity in the area I'd like. I also considered joining the army as an officer for a while). I also yearn to have a place I can call home and that is mine and to achieve a level of salary where I can afford to travel and treat myself and others without guilt.

3) Think about a time where you felt like you were at your finest. Tell us what made you feel that way.
When I was 16 - 18 I never doubted myself as a person, I thought I knew what I wanted and I worked very hard to get it. I somehow managed to interact with lots of people, although never popular, and had a great variety of experiences in the summers to keep me thrilled. I am now 22. Ever since my 3rd year at University I have felt life to be more of a confusing struggle and a need to really understand who I am. I found myself sometimes manipulating people to like me, though they never really knew who I was and I didn't get why. I don't make close friends easily.

4) What makes you feel inferior?
When groups of people (normally males) jeer at me or say things. Or when someone very wise and professional tells me they are dissapointed in me.

5) What tends to weigh on your decisions? (Do you think about people, pro-cons, how you feel about it, etc.)
Hm. Tricky one. Just how much I instinctively desire it, it comes from the heart almost. I consider money, how I can do it, who do I need to tell. I consider my partners feelings because he is INFJ, but before him I was not very in tune with that sort of thing.

6) When working on a project what is normally your emphasis? Do you like to have control of the outcome?
Of course. Very much so. I would love to be involved to a point where I can feel pride of the outcome.

7) Describe us a time where you had a lot of fun. How is your memory of it?
I can't believe how hard it is to remember when you were happiest! I guess I love to travel and experience new things. I love getting my hair cut. I like things that make me feel thrilled. I had a fantastic time at 16 when I hosted my own house party and a lot of people from school turned up.

8) When you want to learn something new, what feels more natural for you? (Are you more prone to be hands on, to theorize, to memorize, etc)
I guess I want to experience it, hands on. I'll look for instructions and guides and do my research, then I'll gather what I need and give it a go.

9) How organized do you to think of yourself as?

Quite organised. I tend to plan things and write lists etc. I don't always stick to my guns however. I keep my room quite tidy. I ususally know whats happening when but I have to write it down or I forget.

10) How do you judge new ideas? You try to understand the principles behind it to see if they make sense or do you look for information that supports it?
Not sure how to answer this one. I guess I analyse the principles and if skepticle perhaps look for information? I try not to judge too quickly but sometimes I feel like I know such and such and perhaps do end up doing so.

11) You find harmony by making sure everyone is doing fine and belonging to a given group or by making sure that you follow what you believe and being yourself?
I think I am very independent. I never considered my interaction with my friends or family as a caring person before considering myself to perhaps be ENFP. Before me and my best friend had a misunderstanding, I would always do what I KNEW she needed from me to make her feel better. I never felt like I got a whole much in return. I tried to be a good friend but I don't know how much I really let that get in the way of being me.

12) Are you the kind that thinks before speaking or do you speak before thinking? Do you prefer one-on-one communication or group discussions?
I don't think before I speak. I prefer one-on-one.

13) Do you jump into action right away or do you like to know where are you jumping before leaping? Does action speaks more than words?
I like to jump. I believe actions say a whole lot.

14) It's Saturday. You're at home, and your favorite show is about to start. Your friends call you for a night out. What will you do?
I'd probably go out if I have money and the friends were my closest. If not, I'd stay in. I don't have any close friends at the moment, which is why I'm finding it hard to know how important friends really are. I am just dealing with it.

15) How do you act when you're stressed out?
Snappy, I take it out on other people and objects. I will be quick to anger and just need to be left alone. I feel confused and sometimes writing a list helps.

16) What makes you dislike the personalities of some people?
They're closed minded-ness. They're inability to put themselves into others shoes. Also people who are offensive for their own pleasure and putting people down.

17) Is there anything you really like talking about with other people?
Things we are both highly interested in. I like tlaking about things I don't know about, like science and interesting theory. I like to ask people questions and get an understanding of it. I like to talk about other people sometimes.

18) What kind of things do you pay the least attention to in your life?

Theories that cannot be proved etc or just simply speculating and talking about things that noone knows for sure. I hate politics and news. I tend to neglect that a lot because it winds me up. I won't pay attention to the latest music playing or fashion trend, I prefer to just pick what I like. I don't pay any attention to people looking for attention or talking about mundane common shows that everyone else watches. I much prefer the weird and wonderful.

19) How do your friends perceive you? What is wrong about their perception? ? What would your friends never say about your personality ?
I guess they think I am quite fun and daring, quite intelligent and good for advice and help and perhaps underneath it all caring and loyal. Friends would never say I am conventional or 'cool'. Friends call me weird but they like it.

20) You got a whole day to do whatever you like. What kind of activities do you feel like doing?
Reading, drawing, making something for somebody. Eat cake and chocolate. Play my favourite game all day. Sleep. Or if the weather is great, go out to a nice beautiful location for the day, with my partner if possible.
 

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In no way are you Ne dominant, fo sho.

I'd say ESTp(j) fits you quite well.
 

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Now I'm even more confused.

After going thorugh all the functions with my INFJ partner, we concluded I was much more Ne dom

:confused:
 

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Now I'm even more confused.

After going thorugh all the functions with my INFJ partner, we concluded I was much more Ne dom

:confused:
you said you stress quite easily and i think in fact perhaps claim to have gone through a great deal of stress in the past in a previous thread?

ESTP's like any other type are not completely invulnerable to depression, however stressing easily is something they don't typically do. Possibly of all the types I'd say they are best equipped to deal with stress.

What about ESFP?
 

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you said you stress quite easily and i think in fact perhaps claim to have gone through a great deal of stress in the past in a previous thread?

ESTP's like any other type are not completely invulnerable to depression, however stressing easily is something they don't typically do. Possibly of all the types I'd say they are best equipped to deal with stress.

What about ESFP?
I don't consider myself to be extroverted enough to be ESFP. I am not someone that craves attention all of the time and I quite enjoy being on my own. I feel I am better at responsibilities and considering the implications of my actions as well as long-term planning. That's just a few things that come to mind.

Infact the reason that I truely question my type is because I am able to plan so far into the future and consider such possibilities in my life. I do not just do what I want to do all of the time and in the moment. I let myself have times when I can do what I like and not worry, but I also plan and plot and desire to do well, or start a new hobby/interest etc. I always figured that was a Se doms way of making new experiences, but is that infact more the work of the Ne dom?
 

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I don't consider myself to be extroverted enough to be ESFP. I am not someone that craves attention all of the time and I quite enjoy being on my own. I feel I am better at responsibilities and considering the implications of my actions as well as long-term planning. That's just a few things that come to mind.

Infact the reason that I truely question my type is because I am able to plan so far into the future and consider such possibilities in my life. I do not just do what I want to do all of the time and in the moment. I let myself have times when I can do what I like and not worry, but I also plan and plot and desire to do well, or start a new hobby/interest etc. I always figured that was a Se doms way of making new experiences, but is that infact more the work of the Ne dom?
Look I'm not gonna lie, it's hard enough to type someone in real life let alone over the net.

So have you read all 16 type descriptions? Also some people have mixed thoughts about Keirsey but I like him. Just reading the overview of the four temperaments could cut down 12 of the 16 types.

And then you poach for subtle differences between the remaining four although I feel they are different enough from other types and similar enough to each other to be grouped together, there is still sufficient differences to split the four.

Good luck, will keep tabs on this thread and feel free to ask as much as you like
 

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Have you thought about ESTJ? I think you definitely have lower feeling (Fi or Fe, almost indistinguishable at this level because it's very low in your responses). I can see lots of Te - you seem to care a lot about measuring your standards of success to something externally and that usually correlates more to extroverted Thinking. I am not seeing too much Ti but admittedly I am not very good at this function, so maybe a Ti-dom or proficient typist could help you in that area. I also saw a lot of Se although Se can come threw a lot during this particular questionnaire because the questions seem very direct. I don't see anything that could lead to Ne or Fi enough for a ENFP correlation. Se, Ti = ESTP, Te, Si = ESTJ. I would say these two types stick out the most after reading your questionaire. I really don't see how ENFP is on the table. I don't get any N or F enough to make up your two top functions. It's S and T. If you are confident that you are extroverted then I would look at those two.

The introverted correlation to those two functions if you are unsure about your extroverted-ness would be ISTJ and ISTP.

I don't consider myself to be extroverted enough to be ESFP.
After ENFP's and ENTP's, ESFP's are the most introverted of the extroverts from what I have seen.
 

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An organized person who likes to start projects but can't finish them, and who comes across as offensive? Sounds a lot like ENTP.
Why can't this be ESTP?
 

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Now I'm even more confused.

After going thorugh all the functions with my INFJ partner, we concluded I was much more Ne dom

:confused:
Why? :happy:

 

This might also be helpful to look at.
When does an ESFP look like an ENFP?

These two types can often look very much like each other.

What would make the difference?
I’ve found many who had identified with ENFP for a long time, yet decided ESFP was a better fit.

Same Interaction Style. ESFPs and ENFPs seek involvement of themselves and others and tend to have the natural facilitative attitude of the Get-Things-Going™ style. When I did the Interaction Styles research, I noticed all four types (ESFJ, ESFP, ENTP, and ENFP) with that style tend to easily fall into facilitative roles, not just those with NF preferences. Both tend to use informing language, but ESFPs will have a little more of a drive to immediate tangible action. ENFPs are more willing to talk about things for a while when talking is moving things along. Both want an upbeat mood and love to make others happy.

Different Temperaments. Differentiating Artisan versus Idealist is key. Often those with ESFP preferences will talk a lot about helping people so they relate to much in the ENFP (Idealist) descriptions. For the ENFP, there are always new potentials to be explored. For the ESFP there are always new possibilities for action and ESFPs don’t want to miss opportunities.

Roles. Very often the first clue in recognizing the ESFP pattern is pragmatism. Pragmatic means having autonomy and calling the shots on your own actions. It means taking a utilitarian approach to things rather than seeking consensus or adherence to norms—taking independent action.

Language. It helps to listen for the abstract language of the ENFP, which is about meaning and purpose, using metaphors that many people can relate to while keeping their own unique meanings. ESFP language tends to reference tangibles with specific details when relevant.

Interest in Motive. Both types are interested in why people do things. The ESFP tunes in to what is in it for the other person, whereas the ENFP is interested in their deeper motives.

Different Cognitive Dynamics.ENFPs lead with Ne—Interpreting meanings. ESFPs lead with Se—Experiencing and Noticing subtle changes. Both “read” the room. ESFPs notice physical clues to people’s feelings, picking up the actual physical energy. ENFPs may not even notice the physical cues and energy, but will just “know” the meaning of what is or has been going on. Both types will describe the experience as getting a feeling of what is going on. You have to probe a little to get identify which process is being engaged.

It makes sense that those ESFPs identified with many ENFP descriptors. They were pleased to finally have recognition of their Artisan core needs, values, and talents. And understanding the richer definitions of Se that are now available, they felt much more validated than before.
 

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Blah!

I've read so much information my mind will explode.

I think this questionaire hasn't worked well for me because I don't know how to answer them to reveal the true me.

I struggle to relate to ESTJ and ESFP - I do not live to entertain people nor do i feel like I am as rigid and lawful as the ESTJ (maybe?) I am actually more open minded, helpful, friendly and caring then I appear. It's just that my lust for doing things that I enjoy and doing them well takes the forefront. I'm also really creative. I love art, drawing, painting etc. This has always been a huge part of me - to create ideas and concepts. I love things hands-on. I'm rubbish at maths. But I don't hate theory, I enjoy learning about theory even if I can't remember it. I hate routine tasks, I get fed up.

But all of these traits could be related to many types, that's what makes it confusing. Just when I read the ESTP profile, I relate to it apart from "They typically makes things up as they go along, rather than following a plan." I always make a plan. Writing plans and lists is the only way to stop me from getting stressed. If I can't figure out how to do something, that's when I need help cause I'll stress and get annoyed.

An ESTP forum member mentioned that she found me more emotional than most ESTPs and didn't see that ENFP was unlikely.

In ESFP/ENFP, I relate to it but I'm not sure if I am as much of a people person as it suggests. It's tricky to know for sure when I havent had any friends except for my partner in about a year or two now. When I'm around him I am very excited, helpful, caring, loving etc.

I relate to Fi a lot, I think I honestly do care, I am sensitive, but I don't really shout about it? I don't want people to know how I really feel, I fear their misjudgment or misunderstanding. I am very defensive. The only person I truly open up to is my partner. He understands me well.

I don't know if I find Se a bit two dimensional (no offense intended), whereas Ne has this problem solving and burst of ideas which I feel is actually more the way that my thought process works. Although I am spontaneous, like Se, I couldn't just get a plane ticket to Germany and find my way around with no prior plans. I would consider the idea first, research all the cheapest flights and options, consider other peoples experiences and find out whats the best. I'd go thorugh all sorts of processes and research in the quickest amount of time possible to reach the best and most succesful outcome. And I'd get terribly excited whilst doing it.

Is that not more Ne? Or am I getting confused?
 

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ENTP could be a possibility actually... That would explain my lack of putting peoples feelings into decision making?
 

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My first guess was going to be ISFP, and as soon as you said "I relate to Fi a lot" I was sold.

I didn't really see any Ne in your posts. Also note, that Se is not some "hedonistic, ultra experience" function just as feeling functions are not about "sitting and crying about meanies".

Se and Ne aren't really about problem solving at all, and I'm starting to think that defining Ne and Se without a judging function is increasingly pointless. I do think that you are confusing Ne for Se + Ni. I have heard this is quite common.

Check out the ISFP descriptions and I think you'll find a fair bit of resonance.
 

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Staffan, he is not an ENTP. There's little to no Ne in his threads, I see Ti, but not as pronounced as it would be.

And his posts sound nothing like an ENTP's.

I'm quite positive you're Se/Si-dom (more pronouncedly Si), Eighty. You don't come across as an ENFP, and even less an ENTP.

I would look into ISFP as suggested, but I would have immediately typed you (based on your OP) eStj. Fairly ambiverted, it's a toughy. The one trait that is pronounced throughout your posts, is that you are a Sensor.
 
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Staffan, he is not an ENTP. There's little to no Ne in his threads, I see Ti, but not as pronounced as it would be.

And his posts sound nothing like an ENTP's.
Some quotes:

"planning and plotting projects constantly"

"I dream about what could be and get excited about things that I try to make happen."

"I tend to come across as quite sharp and offensive."

"I'm organised and creative. I start a lot of projects I never finish."

"I'm spontaneous. I'm quick to act."

Nothing like ENTP?
 
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