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Well, I've taken the Enneagram test a while back, and got type 5w4 as a result. However, after a little research I found that type nines are often mistaken to be type fives. I find that I can relate to a lot of points made on the type nine profile, yet the same goes for the type five profile.

If it helps at all, I am an INTP on the MBTI tests.

I bolded the trait from each pair that I can relate to better.

Nines tend to spin grand, sweeping, idealistic solutions to problems, while Fives tend to speculate on problems, then on the problems that their problems have raised, then on those problems, ad infinitum. Nines may be gifted storytellers, able to communicate simply and effectively to others, even to children. Fives usually communicate to only a few or keep their ideas entirely to themselves. (Moreover, their ideas may be so complicated that they are difficult to communicate to all but other specialists.) Nines usually do not consider the consequences of their actions; Fives are extremely interested in predicting the consequences of every action. Nines simplify; Fives complexify. Nines look to the past; Fives to the future. Nines are fantasists; Fives are theorists. Nines are disengaged; Fives are detached. Nines are utopians; Fives are nihilists. Nines are optimists; Fives are pessimists. Nines are open; Fives are resistant. Nines are non-threatening and nonjudgmental; Fives are defensive and contentious. Nines are at peace; Fives are in tension. Nines end in dissociation; Fives in paranoia.
A couple traits seem to contradict eachother, like being resistant while being non-threatening and non-judgmental. I tend to be resistant to others when I have to open up to others, yet when I'm observing, I tend to be non-judgemental of others.

According to this, there are 7 type nine traits bolded, while there is 6 type five traits bolded.

Nines idealize the world and create imaginary worlds in which good always triumphs over evil; Fives analyze the real world and create horrifying scenarios in which evil usually triumphs over good or exists in tension with it.
With this pairing, I find that I spend more time thinking about worlds I've created, but these worlds are not utopias, instead they tend to be dictatorial, where the inhabitants continuously struggle for peace with hardly any results for their efforts.

The Enneagram personality theory is pretty new to me, so there's still plenty of research I could do. Like looking at how healthy and unhealthy people of each type may act, and the wings for each type. I'll post further findings in this thread, and ultimately I'm the only one who can really decide what type I am, but I'm just throwing my dilemma out there to see what others have to say about it.
 

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If it's any consolation...I went through the exact same question/thought process. I originally tested as a 5w4 and related to it but not entirely. So I took the test a few months later and tested as a 9w1. Was thoroughly confused...and started researching. Ultimately this helped me determine that I'm definitely a 9w1.

http://personalitycafe.com/type-5-forum-investigator/8092-type-five-misidentifications.html

I totally related to this which I believe is the reason 9's have such a hard time typing themselves:

Of all the personality types, Nines have the most difficulty identifying which type they are because their sense of self is undefined. Average Nines have little sense of who they are apart from those they have identified with; hence, they are usually at a loss to know where to begin to find their type. (As we have seen, either they think they are Fives or Twos or they see a little of themselves in all the types and make no further effort at identifying themselves. If they have no guidance, Nines in this predicament usually shrug their shoulders and give up on the Enneagram and more important, on acquiring self-knowledge.)

Anyway.....good luck! :happy:
 

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darkestar, yeah, I've read that it's very common for nines to be misidentified as a five, which is why I started questioning being a type five myself. As of right now my gut instinct is telling me that I am a nine who tends to be pessimistic and spends too much time thinking about stuff, since I am calm most of the time (with the exception of being under too much stress) and I don't like conflict. Though a few days ago my instincts told me I was a five. I'm not gonna decide yet, I'll find out for sure with time.

brightteyes, I've taken the test a few times before, all with about the same results (with five being my strongest type), but I took the largest test on that site you linked to. Here's the results.


Type 1....Perfectionism........||||||........................24%
Type 2....Helpfulness...........||||||.......................22%
Type 3....Image Focus.........||||||||||..................40%
Type 4....Hypersensitivity.....||||||||||||||............51%
Type 5....Detachment..........||||||||||||||||||||....82%
Type 6....Anxiety.................||||||||||..................34%
Type 7....Adventurousness...||||||||||||...............48%
Type 8....Aggressiveness.....||||||||||||...............47%
Type 9....Calmness.............||||||||||||||||..........67%



type....score............type behavior motivation
5.........58........I must be knowledgeable and independent to be happy.
9.........47........I must maintain a peaceful and easygoing environment to be happy.
4.........36........I must be true to my emotions to be happy.
7.........34........I must be high and entertained to be happy.
8.........33........I must be strong and in control to be happy.
3.........28........I must be impressive and attractive to be happy.
6.........24........I must be secure and safe to be happy.
1.........17........I must be perfect and good to be happy.
2.........16........I must be helpful and caring to be happy.

Five is again the highest, with nine second.
 

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If it's any consolation...I went through the exact same question/thought process. I originally tested as a 5w4 and related to it but not entirely. So I took the test a few months later and tested as a 9w1. Was thoroughly confused...and started researching. Ultimately this helped me determine that I'm definitely a 9w1.

http://personalitycafe.com/type-5-forum-investigator/8092-type-five-misidentifications.html

I totally related to this which I believe is the reason 9's have such a hard time typing themselves:

Of all the personality types, Nines have the most difficulty identifying which type they are because their sense of self is undefined. Average Nines have little sense of who they are apart from those they have identified with; hence, they are usually at a loss to know where to begin to find their type. (As we have seen, either they think they are Fives or Twos or they see a little of themselves in all the types and make no further effort at identifying themselves. If they have no guidance, Nines in this predicament usually shrug their shoulders and give up on the Enneagram and more important, on acquiring self-knowledge.)

Anyway.....good luck! :happy:
Went through the same thing, asked in the forums too. 9's really do seem to mistype as 5's quite often. Turned out that I was a 9w1 as well. After reading through a bunch of post, I went back to the text and began to review it and really think about if 9w1 fits me. Self development takes alot of thought and soul searching. I don't know about the give up part at the end. I see plenty of 9's trying to figure what their Enneagram type is.
 
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Went through the same thing, asked in the forums too. 9's really do seem to mistype as 5's quite often. Turned out that I was a 9w1 as well. After reading through a bunch of post, I went back to the text and began to review it and really think about if 9w1 fits me. Self development takes alot of thought and soul searching. I don't know about the give up part at the end. I see plenty of 9's trying to figure what their Enneagram type is.
Totally agree about not giving up...I even bought books on the Enneagram because I was determined to figure out my type. I just took the test again and tested as a 5...but I'm confident I'm a 9 after all the research I've done. Like you said, it takes research and soul searching to really figure out the right answer.
 

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Haha, well I did mention my MBTI type, and even though I've first discovered that personality typing system a few years ago, I didn't look too much into it. Recently I'm more interested about learning how other types work. I read up on the ISTP profile yesterday and it describes me perfectly (except for being athletic, and the optimism thing, but I do have my optimistic tendencies and I tend to be a bit reckless and fearless). Tests always state that I am an INTP, with my sensing and intuitive scores near similar. Man, I knew I should of done a little research with those close S and N scores.

I think this Enneagram test is the same case, always score that 5w4 but is really a different type. I think my pessimism might come from being unhealthy, which I probably am even though I hate to admit it.

Ah well, now I have the need to look more into my more likely to be types!
 
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